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CCC week 10 Jaina Solo (Fel) in the New Republic Options
SignerJ
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:25:07 AM
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I'd like to say ahead of time that my rating system varies each and every time I rate pieces.

Jaina Solo, Jedi Avenger by pegolego: 8.25
I like the piece a lot, but there are a couple of bits of it that I have problems with. I don't like the Rival for Jacen Solo. I don't really understand where she gets Force Lightning from, Loner works against her being used with Luke Force Spirit, and she can't be in the Mandalorian faction. I REALLY like Sword of the Jedi, however, and Impulsive Jedi Hunter works well with the piece. She is balanced and would fit on a card, so I'm giving the piece an 8. (Changed to 8.25 after rating other pieces.)

Jaina Solo Fel, Jedi Master by AndyHatton: 8
I'm not sure what to think about all of the interactions between her abilities. Her Synergy SA is far too powerful, in my opinion. Otherwise, she seems appropriately costed, except I don't know how an unpreventable 160 Damage was ever thought a good idea. But it isn't a bad piece, overall. I like Pego's a bit better, however, so I'll rate your slightly lower than his.

Jaina Solo, Trickster Goddess by CerousMotor: 8.5
Another good piece. As a whole, she is very good. I don't know why she has Camaraderie rather than Empathy, however, and I'm not sure what to think of the New Republic getting a cheap movement breaker with this kind of damage output. Nevertheless, the simplicity is nice, so I'm giving an 8.5.

Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin by SignerJ: X
I don't rate my own pieces.

Jaina Solo, Jedi Hero and Mandalorian Ally by CorranHornsux123: 6.5
I'm not really fond of the name. She has far too many SAs and is extremely undercosted. I don't like "Father's Ex-Arch Enemy," partly because it is a bad name, partly because I dislike too specific custom SAs, and partly because the wording is pretty poor. I also don't know why she has Mind Wipe. Sorry, but comparing this piece with my ratings for other pieces...6.5.

Jaina Solo, Yuuzhan Vong Nemesis by BFMV123: 7.5
I don't really think that Jaina should have Vongsense, but I haven't read those books so I'll give you benefit of the doubt. I don't like the Voxyn Hunter's SA, and not much about the piece pops out at me, other than unleash the force 60. 7.5.

Sticks (Jaina Solo) by Lord Ball: 8
I have no clue as to what to think about Ace Pilot, so I just looked at everything else before considering what Ace Pilot brings to the piece.

Sticks, Rogue Eleven by Deathwielded: X
I don't know what to think about this piece, other than that her Attack stat seems to be a bit high. Pass?

Jaina Solo, Avatar of Yun-Harla by saber1: 9
I was first going to give this piece an 8.25, but the more that I looked at it, the more I liked everything about it. 9.

Jaina Solo, Trickster by Gungan Batman Clone: 8
A good piece, and apparently a good character representation, but I can't get past the crippling Vong-hate. Not saying that you hate them, but this piece would end the faction forever.8.


And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.
AndyHatton
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:38:16 AM
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SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.


Wait...what?
Deathwielded
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:17:09 AM
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SignerJ first of all You MUST vote for all characters entered in the contest (you cannot exclude rating a character for no better reason then just cuz) and you may NOT rate or vote for your own character. Place your vote for Pegolego and then fairly rate my character.
Deathwielded
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:47:54 PM
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10 entries this week! Woot woot! Here are my ratings:

pegolego's Jaina Solo, Jedi Avenger Impulsive Jedi Hunter is a good addition. I think there's is to many attack boost for her (+37 attack if they all activate!) Sword of the Jedi turned out pretty cool. 8.5
AndyHatton's Jaina Solo Fel, Jedi Master Very deadly and very cool. I like how Master Shatterpoint turned out. Defensive and Offensive her only weakness is she will by force thirsty all the time. (which is a good balance for her) 9.75
Gungan Batman Clone's Jaina Solo, Trickster Impulsive Vong Hunter is good. Jeedai Heresy is pretty cool. I don't see any thing really wrong with her, but next to some of the other contestants... 8.25
CerousMutor's Jaina Solo, Trickster Goddess Camaraderie with Kyp is a good Idea but I think Savage is a good thing for kyp. (most of the time) at first I thought she was too strong defensively, then I remembered JarealRazz 8
SignerJ's Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin Shooter Jaina isn't bad and I like how she turned out 9
CorranHornsux123's Jaina Solo, Jedi Hero and Mandalorian Ally Mind Wipe is a great SA and I would love to see a Kyp with it. Good at range Better at Melee. I think this is a great version and would have probably got my vote if it wasn't for Saber1's piece. 9.5
BFMV123's Jaina Solo, Yuuzhan Vong Nemesis I don't see to much of a problem with this character other than I don't like Voxyn Hunter's. Not much that wows me. 7.75
Lord_Ball's Sticks (Jaina Solo) I am liking how Ace Pilot turned out. Pretty cool 8.75
saber1's Jaina Solo, Avatar of Yun-Harla This. Is. Awesome!ThumbsUp Love the name! I love how you made her a target (Draw Fire) since she was being heretical. Disruptive is perfect for her durng that time of her life. Trickster Goddess is a awesome SA! Against the Vong she rocks, but the above isn't why she gets my vote, it's because of Shadow Bomb!Love This is a GREAT boost to force sensitive pilots, I think it is perfect just as it is. the only thing about this character that I would change is to lose the CE and Willing to serve in favor of a SA that gives SB to FS Pilots. 10! And you get my vote!
Deathwielded's (Me) Sticks, Rogue Eleven No rating of my character.
CerousMutor
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:47:59 PM
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SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.





I think I understand why he is doing it. BlooMilk
He is rating harsh but fair.
I think certain events on this one that have thrown the whole "CCC" up in the air.
The rating process in the Customs page is a shambles and many, many custom charactr ratings are brought in to question because of it.

The die hards and good ones, dont want the glory, are happy to get a good rating and take critique, then work with it to get better.
Some are 'stat' lovers, high ratings mean everything regardless of if they vote for themselves.

Puts a horrible taint on the whole thing.No Bloo Milk
Deathwielded
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:58:51 PM
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saber1 wrote:
CerousMutor wrote:

Jaina Solo, Avatar of Yun-Harla saber1
Love the premise of this. I don’t think she needs Deceptive, love Shadow bomb. I glimpsed the sun with this one, when saber1 suggested a CE granting Shadow Bomb (to NR pilots?). The toughest thing is trying to keep the cost down but not to make a glass cannon.
11 for this, it really is great. Its like Andyhattons, catches the flavour and is useful!

My vote is for AndyHatton ThumpUp
Cracking job!

Saber1s is awesome, but i cast my vote before he'd tweaked it.
Still Andy, great work!


Thanks for the glowing review but you voted before the deadline. I haven't entered my custom yet. Confused


@CerousMutor did you give him an 11? we are using a 1-10 point system so I will need to count it as a 10.
Please make sure to wait until the end of the Friday night deadline before posting your ratings. I doubt we will have this situation happen again.
@Saber1 even though he voted before you were finished editing he did give you a high rating. I don't know if you changed anything that would've been significant enough to change his vote.
Deathwielded
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:06:31 PM
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CerousMutor wrote:
SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.


I think I understand why he is doing it. BlooMilk
He is rating harsh but fair.

??? Voting for himself is fair? I don't think so.

CerousMutor wrote:

I think certain events on this one that have thrown the whole "CCC" up in the air.
The rating process in the Customs page is a shambles and many, many custom charactr ratings are brought in to question because of it.

The die hards and good ones, dont want the glory, are happy to get a good rating and take critique, then work with it to get better.
Some are 'stat' lovers, high ratings mean everything regardless of if they vote for themselves.

Puts a horrible taint on the whole thing.No Bloo Milk

First of all the CCC is fine just. Second this is the first time that anyone has placed a vote for there own character and notice he didn't even rate his character. If you are talking about the custom character page then yes it can be quite messy. Uno-bombers, luck of the draw voters, self voting, (guilty) ect. That is in part why we have a custom character contest, to give more realistic ratings and "force" some feedback.

CerousMutor
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:40:47 PM
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Deathwielded wrote:
If you are talking about the custom character page then yes it can be quite messy. Uno-bombers, luck of the draw voters, self voting, (guilty) ect. That is in part why we have a custom character contest, to give more realistic ratings and "force" some feedback.



Thats exactly what I'm talking about.

Had to vote then, cause I wouldnt have had time today. Might it happen again? I dont know, depends on work, it might.

I'm no speaking for him I'm just saying what I see. Dont take my comments as his.ThumpUp
AndyHatton
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:09:44 PM
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CerousMutor wrote:
Deathwielded wrote:
If you are talking about the custom character page then yes it can be quite messy. Uno-bombers, luck of the draw voters, self voting, (guilty) ect. That is in part why we have a custom character contest, to give more realistic ratings and "force" some feedback.



Thats exactly what I'm talking about.

Had to vote then, cause I wouldnt have had time today. Might it happen again? I dont know, depends on work, it might.

I'm no speaking for him I'm just saying what I see. Dont take my comments as his.ThumpUp


But those customs ratings IN the customs section do not count for anything for the CCC.
CorranHornsux123
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:50:49 PM
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SignerJ wrote:

Jaina Solo, Jedi Hero and Mandalorian Ally by CorranHornsux123: 6.5
I'm not really fond of the name. She has far too many SAs and is extremely undercosted. I don't like "Father's Ex-Arch Enemy," partly because it is a bad name, partly because I dislike too specific custom SAs, and partly because the wording is pretty poor. I also don't know why she has Mind Wipe. Sorry, but comparing this piece with my ratings for other pieces...6.5.


Whats not get? She learned Mind Wipe form Kyp if u read on wookiepedia then you would have know more about her, and how is Father's Ex-Arch Enemy a bad SA name? just because you say its bad doesn't mean it is I'm sorry but for her to have the lowest ratings when she was one of the popular Jaina's this week. Just because you don't know or didn't bother to find out why she has what i gave her shouldn't affect the rating because you couldn't take the time to do some research on her.
CorranHornsux123
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Jaina Solo, Jedi Avenger by pegolego: 9.5
I liked this Jaina especially the SOTJ SA!

Jaina Solo Fel, Jedi Master by AndyHatton: 9.5
I likes the synergy and she is well costed for what she can do.

Jaina Solo, Trickster Goddess by CerousMotor: 9.5
A good fighter and her Camaraderie is nice

Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin by SignerJ: 9
It was a good Jaina not sure "Assassin" fits with Jedi but other than that i liked this piece.

Jaina Solo, Jedi Hero and Mandalorian Ally by CorranHornsux123: This im my piece(:

Jaina Solo, Yuuzhan Vong Nemesis by BFMV123: 9
Pretty good for ur first custom Joey i hope too see better in the future(:

Sticks (Jaina Solo) by Lord Ball: 9.5
I really enjoy Ace Pilot and she is well costed(:

Sticks, Rogue Eleven by Deathwielded: 9.5
A nice low point Jaina i really enjoy Trickster Goddess.

Jaina Solo, Avatar of Yun-Harla by saber1: 10
Was a great Jaina draw fire and Shadow bomb are great.

Jaina Solo, Trickster by Gungan Batman Clone: 9.5
Is a good Jaina that is very good against Vong but not much pepole play vong these days so she is situational but still good none the less.


My vote goes for Saber 1 he did a great job this week as did everyone else!(:
corranhorn
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CerousMutor wrote:
SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.





I think I understand why he is doing it. BlooMilk
He is rating harsh but fair.
I think certain events on this one that have thrown the whole "CCC" up in the air.
The rating process in the Customs page is a shambles and many, many custom charactr ratings are brought in to question because of it.

The die hards and good ones, dont want the glory, are happy to get a good rating and take critique, then work with it to get better.
Some are 'stat' lovers, high ratings mean everything regardless of if they vote for themselves.

Puts a horrible taint on the whole thing.No Bloo Milk



The customs ratings on the piece's pages in the Customs part of the site have no bearing on the CCC. Not even sure how you got that impression.
corranhorn
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SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.


You're voting for yourself? Even if it's not against the rules, which is up to DW, it seems like a real douche move.
Deathwielded
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corranhorn wrote:
SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.


You're voting for yourself? Even if it's not against the rules, which is up to DW, it seems like a real douche move.

Yeah it's against the rules.
Gungan Batman Clone
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OK, there's 10 entries so I have 9 characters to review. So exciting!BigGrin

Jaina Solo, Jedi Avenger: Pegolego
Good piece, pretty well balanced. I think that the potential for an attack of 27 (+11 start, +4 Boba, +4 JH, +4 Loner, +4 Sword) may be too much by herself. Although Sword of the Jedi is a good ability. 9

Jaina Solo Fel, Jedi Master: AndyHatton
An interesting piece. I like the Jedi Master theme that has been going around. But again I think the potential damage output is a little too much. 9

Jaina Solo, Trickster Goddess: CerousMutor
A nice simple piece. Like the Kyp synergy! 8.5

Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin: SingerJ
Very Cool piece! I don't think Mando affinity is necessary though. 9

Jaina Solo, Jedi Hero and Mandalorian Ally: CorranHornsux123
I think this would be better if divided into 2 separate characters or made mega for an Epic. 8.75

Jaina Solo, Yuuzhan Vong Nemesis: BFMV123
Pretty accurate character, it would be cool to have her unleash the force on Vong. 9.25

Sticks (Jaina Solo): Lord Ball
I like the pilot motif! 9.25

Jaina Solo, Avatar of Yun-Harla: saber1
Very good! Love Shadow bomb! 9.5

Sticks, Rogue Eleven: Deathwielded
Nice low cost piece. 9



My Vote goes to saber1's Jaina Solo, Avatar of Yun-Harla
Gungan Batman Clone
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Deathwielded wrote:
corranhorn wrote:
SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.


You're voting for yourself? Even if it's not against the rules, which is up to DW, it seems like a real douche move.

Yeah it's against the rules.


So I guess the vote goes to Pego'
SignerJ
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corranhorn wrote:
SignerJ wrote:

And as for my favorite piece... I'm going to have to vote for my own, Jaina Solo, Jedi Assassin. Pego's piece was a close second.


You're voting for yourself? Even if it's not against the rules, which is up to DW, it seems like a real douche move.


I knew it would be unpopular, and I really don't care about winning the contest, but I was being honest. Last time I make that mistake.


Deathwielded wrote:

Yeah it's against the rules.

I would appreciate it if you would point out the specific place where you state that it is against the rules, prior to my post on this thread. Maybe I missed it?

As it is, just go ahead and ignore my entire post. You have a valid reason to do it as well, since I skipped voting for a piece.


CorranHornsux123 wrote:
SignerJ wrote:

Jaina Solo, Jedi Hero and Mandalorian Ally by CorranHornsux123: 6.5
I'm not really fond of the name. She has far too many SAs and is extremely undercosted. I don't like "Father's Ex-Arch Enemy," partly because it is a bad name, partly because I dislike too specific custom SAs, and partly because the wording is pretty poor. I also don't know why she has Mind Wipe. Sorry, but comparing this piece with my ratings for other pieces...6.5.


Whats not get? She learned Mind Wipe form Kyp if u read on wookiepedia then you would have know more about her, and how is Father's Ex-Arch Enemy a bad SA name? just because you say its bad doesn't mean it is I'm sorry but for her to have the lowest ratings when she was one of the popular Jaina's this week. Just because you don't know or didn't bother to find out why she has what i gave her shouldn't affect the rating because you couldn't take the time to do some research on her.


Please take note that I did NOT rate your character in the BlooMilk system with this rating. My ratings in this contest are variable, based upon the ratings I give to the other characters, and thus don't translate to Bloo ratings. How I rate a piece in this contest is not necessarily how I would rate it with the Bloo system.
Also, take note that the ratings in this contest are purely SUBJECTIVE, so if I think that it is a "bad name," even if it is just my opinion, I have every right to let that influence my rating.
Plus (excuse coming), I seriously don't have the time to look up every part of every single character on Wook. As it is, I'm thinking that I shouldn't have spent the hour that I did on rating the pieces.


CerousMutor wrote:

I think I understand why he is doing it. BlooMilk
He is rating harsh but fair.
I think certain events on this one that have thrown the whole "CCC" up in the air.
The rating process in the Customs page is a shambles and many, many custom charactr ratings are brought in to question because of it.

The die hards and good ones, dont want the glory, are happy to get a good rating and take critique, then work with it to get better.
Some are 'stat' lovers, high ratings mean everything regardless of if they vote for themselves.

Puts a horrible taint on the whole thing.No Bloo Milk


I'm not entirely sure what you mean by your post, but at least you didn't immediately attack me...I think? So thanks.
If you did mean that as an attack, then, uh...Take this response as you will.



And for those of you who are actually interested in knowing WHY I voted as I did, it is because I was following the rules of the contest. Or, at least, what I perceived the rules of the contest to have been.

I had thought that the contest was supposed to be about honesty. I also had thought that there were supposed to be two parts: (1. rate each character, and (2. vote for your favorite.

I refrain from rating my own character because of what I thought were obvious reasons -- I created the piece, thus, if I submitted it, I must think that it is a 10. Or somewhere close. I find rating it obvious and pointless. Same reason why I don't rate my own creations with the Bloo rating system. It is kind of like a politician casting a ballot for themselves -- you already know who they support, so what is the point?

As for the second part of what I thought the contest was, I believed that it was about voting for your favorite piece. Not necessarily the best piece out of the bunch, but your favorite, be it the design, or the intention, or just how it interacts in the game. In that situation, it could very easily be someone else's piece, rather than your own. Which is why I don't think that voting for your own piece is pointless or an obvious gesture. Or a "shabuir'la" move.

I guess I was wrong.

What I have noticed for the last couple of custom contests is that the entire second portion is pretty much non-existent. Or, rather, doesn't really function as it probably was intended to. Everyone just votes for the piece that they rated the highest. The second part of the contest doesn't serve as a "tie-breaker," but rather, something to just make the winning piece win by a larger margin. It has become redundant. (Which is actually another reason as to why I cast my vote as I did. Moreover, take a look at my secondary choice, and what it was rated in comparison to the other pieces that I rated.)

I could say more, but I wouldn't be able to vouch for the validity of the statements, since, frankly, I'm quite tired, and I have to wake up early tomorrow to do homework. So I'll just wrap it up with a concluding statement: this contest is not what I expected when I first entered it. I don't want to make a scene, or sound like a brat or a chakaar, but that is my honest opinion. My mistake for expressing it.

Speaking of crushed expectations, where is Surf_rider?


(I think I covered everything...)
pegolego
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I just plain forgot to vote.... Can I still, I heard last week it was extended?
AndyHatton
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Regardless of what the rules are it simply isn't very sporting to vote for your own piece. And that is all I will add on the matter.
CorranHornsux123
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pegolego wrote:
I just plain forgot to vote.... Can I still, I heard last week it was extended?


i think you can still vote peg because of the whole voting for yourself incident i dont think Death has tallied up votes yet so i would just go ahead and vote just in-case it cant hurt lol
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