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The Celestial Warrior wrote:TheHutts wrote:Can we get some confirmation on this? I guess there are a bunch of significant Vong pieces still to be revealed, so it might be premature to be thinking about squads anyway, but it's quite a big sticking point. I'm not sure why there's confusion here. Allies gain Jedi Hatred as long as no ally counts as or has the same name as another.... That was my sticking point. Thanks for clarifying. This game has so many subtle word twists that some things that might seem clear to one is not so clear to another.
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TheHutts wrote:Thanks for clarifying!
It's interesting looking at a list of Yuuzhan Vong uniques for what would work with Zenoc Quah - there really aren't very many unique Yuuzhan Vong followers. I'm thinking you're going to need to use a bunch of uniques given the squad building restrictions he brings, although I'd totally consider pieces like the Quednak as well. Taking out the shapers, you're currently left with:
Elan - Bo'tous Spore might be useful, since you don't have many shooter options without Fringe or Outsider - is Nom Anor the only one?
Minos, Yuuzhan Vong Warrior - a really good option with evade and +4 attack
Vua Rapuung - doesn't benefit from Shaper, but still possibly an option
Shedao Shai - a really good option with evade and +4 attack
Vergere
Onimi, Shamed One You have to be careful with Minos. No other YV Warriors in the squad if he's in.
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juice man wrote:I take it to mean one character that counts as another. One Worker or ten Workers, they are still only Workers.
(Cross fingers. Hope, hope, hope.) Joey, are you getting a huge Vong boner again?
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markedman247 wrote:TheHutts wrote:Thanks for clarifying!
It's interesting looking at a list of Yuuzhan Vong uniques for what would work with Zenoc Quah - there really aren't very many unique Yuuzhan Vong followers. I'm thinking you're going to need to use a bunch of uniques given the squad building restrictions he brings, although I'd totally consider pieces like the Quednak as well. Taking out the shapers, you're currently left with:
Elan - Bo'tous Spore might be useful, since you don't have many shooter options without Fringe or Outsider - is Nom Anor the only one?
Minos, Yuuzhan Vong Warrior - a really good option with evade and +4 attack
Vua Rapuung - doesn't benefit from Shaper, but still possibly an option
Shedao Shai - a really good option with evade and +4 attack
Vergere
Onimi, Shamed One You have to be careful with Minos. No other YV Warriors in the squad if he's in. Ditto for Quednek, (counts as a character named YV Warrior). Keep in mind you can have Quorreal or Da'gara in your squad, so you can wait and see who you're facing. Facing a bunch of override? Bring in several scouts and blow some doors with firejelly, then when all but 1 die the bonus kicks in. Facing Droids? Don't sweat it, bring in the shaper adept and a pack of workers to spit (assuming you already have Yomin Carr) and you're aces.
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So the shaper adept is anti-droid.... Hmmmmmm.... Maybe he makes poison affect nonlivings based off of that comment...
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Deathwielded wrote:Who is your favorite character spoiled?
Mine are
1 Darth Maul, Death Watch Overlord
2 Zann Consortium Droideka
3 Gantoris
4 Master Tholme
5 Zenoc Quah
with plenty of other great characters. I'm biased towards characters I felt I had a large hand in designing (excited to see what the community thinks of them), but I'll tell you my top 5 pieces in the set that I was not driving the direction of as much. (We all give input, but some are clearly lead and steered by 1 or two designers) 1 Barris Offee, Rogue Jedi 2 Arkanian Jedi General 3 Darth Bane Sith'ari 4 Tantive IV Trooper 5 Master Tholme
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I'm sure I'm just missing something, but for Minos, is having Yuuzhan Vong Warrior in his name enough to make him count as a Yuuzhan Vong Warrior for Zenoc's Specilization? It wouldn't have been my instinct that it works like that. So we've only seen one of your top 5! TimmerB123 wrote:
1 Barris Offee, Rogue Jedi
2 Arkanian Jedi General
3 Darth Bane Sith'ari
4 Tantive IV Trooper
5 Master Tholme
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TheHutts wrote:I'm sure I'm just missing something, but for Minos, is having Yuuzhan Vong Warrior in his name enough to make him count as a Yuuzhan Vong Warrior for Zenoc's Jedi Hatred? It wouldn't have been my instinct that it works like that. No - you are correct Graham. You can have Minos at any time because he doesn't have the "counts as . . . " SA, and nobody else has his same name. But Domain Shai Warrior, Far-Outsider, Yuuzhan Vong High-bred Warrior, Yuuzhan Vong Ossus Protector, Yuuzhan Vong Hunter, Yuuzhan Vong Hunter on Quednak and Yuuzhan Vong Warrior all count as having the same name. Minos has it in his name specifically so only the old school Subaltern boosts him. Though he is a YV Warrior, he does not count as a character NAMED Yuuzhan Vong Warrior.
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Sweet - I did forget about the Quednak having Warrior when I noticed it above. It is a really big restriction - lots of good pieces in that Warrior list.
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TheHutts wrote:So we've only seen one of your top 5! TimmerB123 wrote:
1 Barris Offee, Rogue Jedi
2 Arkanian Jedi General
3 Darth Bane Sith'ari
4 Tantive IV Trooper
5 Master Tholme
Yup - the others are very exciting! (I did have a hard time narrowing it down to 5)
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TimmerB123 wrote:TheHutts wrote:I'm sure I'm just missing something, but for Minos, is having Yuuzhan Vong Warrior in his name enough to make him count as a Yuuzhan Vong Warrior for Zenoc's Jedi Hatred? It wouldn't have been my instinct that it works like that. No - you are correct Graham. You can have Minos at any time because he doesn't have the "counts as . . . " SA, and nobody else has his same name. But Domain Shai Warrior, Far-Outsider, Yuuzhan Vong High-bred Warrior, Yuuzhan Vong Ossus Protector, Yuuzhan Vong Hunter, Yuuzhan Vong Hunter on Quednak and Yuuzhan Vong Warrior all count as having the same name. Minos has it in his name specifically so only the old school Subaltern boosts him. Though he is a YV Warrior, he does not count as a character NAMED Yuuzhan Vong Warrior. I stand corrected. The Vong are tricky with their wording.
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harryg wrote:So the shaper adept is anti-droid.... Hmmmmmm.... Maybe he makes poison affect nonlivings based off of that comment... He certainly will cause headaches for Droid enemies.
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Now I wanna see it!
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TimmerB123 wrote:Keep in mind you can have Quorreal or Da'gara in your squad, so you can wait and see who you're facing. Facing a bunch of override? Bring in several scouts and blow some doors with firejelly, then when all but 1 die the bonus kicks in. Facing Droids? Don't sweat it, bring in the shaper adept and a pack of workers to spit (assuming you already have Yomin Carr) and you're aces. Doesn't this work the same way as Talon and Prideful? How your squad is at the start of the skirmish determines what your bonuses etc.? http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13648
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kezzamachine wrote:TimmerB123 wrote:Keep in mind you can have Quorreal or Da'gara in your squad, so you can wait and see who you're facing. Facing a bunch of override? Bring in several scouts and blow some doors with firejelly, then when all but 1 die the bonus kicks in. Facing Droids? Don't sweat it, bring in the shaper adept and a pack of workers to spit (assuming you already have Yomin Carr) and you're aces. Doesn't this work the same way as Talon and Prideful? How your squad is at the start of the skirmish determines what your bonuses etc.? http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13648 No - this was discussed during design. The way it's worded makes it whenever conditions are met, not simply checked at the start of the skirmish (like prideful). So you can bring in duplicates and it kicks in when enough die that you only have 1.
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kezzamachine wrote:TimmerB123 wrote:Keep in mind you can have Quorreal or Da'gara in your squad, so you can wait and see who you're facing. Facing a bunch of override? Bring in several scouts and blow some doors with firejelly, then when all but 1 die the bonus kicks in. Facing Droids? Don't sweat it, bring in the shaper adept and a pack of workers to spit (assuming you already have Yomin Carr) and you're aces. Doesn't this work the same way as Talon and Prideful? How your squad is at the start of the skirmish determines what your bonuses etc.? http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13648 "Sithborg" wrote:"TimmerB123" wrote:It may just be me - but I still don't understand fully why it has to be on or off for the whole skirmish. I'm not trying to be difficult - I just don't grasp the concept. Most other things in the game are based on conditions. If A then B, and you check it at each point. Cunning - If you attack an unactivated opponent, then you get +4/+10. Why does that not work here?
Because you are incorrect? I'm not sure how you are thinking that Extreme Specialization works the same as Prideful, but it doesn't.
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So many new spoilers!!!!!
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Oh that Jedi General is going to be so nice with a personal favorite of mine, Elite Gunners!
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The adept will be a great reinforcements piece with Carr. The new Kota is pretty sweet too.
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