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strate_jakit wrote:a big gun has served me well enough and i have seen and used yobuck and gowk and i have played that exact grievous squad at tourneys twice and gotten first place with it twice. some of us don't need actiivations door control or initiative control to do good  You are exactly right, because some of us don't play top level DCI play. I understand this already, do you? Look, no disrespect, but honestly, do you really think you could take Gencon with the above squad? Heck, if I win map, we are playing on Bespin. i locked the doors, you can't get first turn gambit, and the game is over without a shot being fired. I understand most people don't play at that level, but if you don't then quite simply, back to my earlier point, your "opinion" on the issue is irrelevant.
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From the Rule book concerning strafe: Quote:Strafe Attack: Some characters with Flight also have Strafe Attack. This character can
move up to double speed and attack each enemy whose space it enters instead of using
the targeting rules. Roll each attack just before this character enters that enemy’s space.
This character cannot attack any enemy twice in the same turn using Strafe Attack, and
it cannot move directly back into a space it has just left. A character with Strafe Attack
can still make a normal attack on the turn it moves, as long as it moves its speed or less.
Prior to using Strafe Attack, this character must designate a legal space to end its move in.
Other characters cannot enter this space while this character is using Strafe Attack. I think the bolded part is the part you are confused by. It says you may move up to double speed (so that is the may part the movement) then it follows it up with and attack (it did not say may attack it said and attack) The last part bolded is also something a lot of people goof up on. You have to have your landing spot prior to the strafe.
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billiv15 wrote:strate_jakit wrote:a big gun has served me well enough and i have seen and used yobuck and gowk and i have played that exact grievous squad at tourneys twice and gotten first place with it twice. some of us don't need actiivations door control or initiative control to do good You are exactly right, because some of us don't play top level DCI play. I understand this already, do you? Look, no disrespect, but honestly, do you really think you could take Gencon with the above squad? Heck, if I win map, we are playing on Bespin. i locked the doors, you can't get first turn gambit, and the game is over without a shot being fired. I understand most people don't play at that level, but if you don't then quite simply, back to my earlier point, your "opinion" on the issue is irrelevant. im not going to lie and say i play at the top level but im no ameteur and neither are the people i play
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strate_jakit wrote:a big gun has served me well enough and i have seen and used yobuck and gowk and i have played that exact grievous squad at tourneys twice and gotten first place with it twice. some of us don't need actiivations door control or initiative control to do good Ok then sorry you are not playing in a big tourney then becasue if you don't have door control you are screwed in a big tourney. I lost on sat just becasue my two uggos got shot and I was locked out and i could not beat him becasue he had double override and 4 nobles that i could not get past because he has someone always in sight with the nobles ran into the room with gambit and locked 2 doors. by the time i get around the entire map the game would be over
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StriderRe80 wrote:strate_jakit wrote:a big gun has served me well enough and i have seen and used yobuck and gowk and i have played that exact grievous squad at tourneys twice and gotten first place with it twice. some of us don't need actiivations door control or initiative control to do good Ok then sorry you are not playing in a big tourney then becasue if you don't have door control you are screwed in a big tourney. I lost on sat just becasue my two uggos got shot and I was locked out and i could not beat him becasue he had double override and 4 nobles that i could not get past because he has someone always in sight with the nobles ran into the room with gambit and locked 2 doors. by the time i get around the entire map the game would be over Well he usualy has override, either in the form of CLOBOT or T3-M4
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StriderRe80 wrote:strate_jakit wrote:a big gun has served me well enough and i have seen and used yobuck and gowk and i have played that exact grievous squad at tourneys twice and gotten first place with it twice. some of us don't need actiivations door control or initiative control to do good Ok then sorry you are not playing in a big tourney then becasue if you don't have door control you are screwed in a big tourney. I lost on sat just becasue my two uggos got shot and I was locked out and i could not beat him becasue he had double override and 4 nobles that i could not get past because he has someone always in sight with the nobles ran into the room with gambit and locked 2 doors. by the time i get around the entire map the game would be over scenario: i was using a mando team with no door control against a rebel with quadruple override initiative control and outactivated me. I got locked out of the center room on the throne room map while his elite commandos shot out and relocked the doors and believe it or not i won 
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strate_jakit wrote:scenario: i was using a mando team with no door control against a rebel with quadruple override initiative control and outactivated me. I got locked out of the center room on the throne room map while his elite commandos shot out and relocked the doors and believe it or not i won Was it dci format???
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Plus at our LGS Door control isnt as important, because only three players ever really play override consistantly.(one being me) Ususaly a single override piece or 2 uggies would work, and as i said Strate_jakit usualy had Clobot, or T3
and it was DCI.
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StriderRe80 wrote:strate_jakit wrote:scenario: i was using a mando team with no door control against a rebel with quadruple override initiative control and outactivated me. I got locked out of the center room on the throne room map while his elite commandos shot out and relocked the doors and believe it or not i won Was it dci format??? yes, you probably know who i was playing against as dalsiandon(he may not remember it though)
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I also would like to say about the game Strate is mentioning Don was behind in points. If he wasnt he couldve just sat there and won from gambit.
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And I point out once again, that isn't top level DCI competitive play, so therefore it is irrelevant. That isn't an insult at all. It's simply a statement of why at your store, you might not see the problems that others are seeing. It's a fair debate, but it's completely irrelevant when we are talking about a banning.
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maybe the reason you have trouble beating gowk is because you use up points on override activations and initiative control and i'm failing to see your point because my clearly undeveloped mind can only grasp the fact that when I use the teams that i do, i win even if the opponent has all that and i don't. or am i way off 
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strate_jakit wrote:maybe the reason you have trouble beating gowk is because you use up points on override activations and initiative control and i'm failing to see your point because my clearly undeveloped mind can only grasp the fact that when I use the teams that i do, i win even if the opponent has all that and i don't. or am i way off get vassel and play with everyone else that is around the world and then you shall see what we are talking about. No wonder don doesnt want him banned becasue the game you are talking about you should of never gotten a shot off at him if he out activated you and had quad override. after this post i am no longer going to argue with you because you really don't get it becasue you only play at your local venue.
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StriderRe80 wrote:strate_jakit wrote:maybe the reason you have trouble beating gowk is because you use up points on override activations and initiative control and i'm failing to see your point because my clearly undeveloped mind can only grasp the fact that when I use the teams that i do, i win even if the opponent has all that and i don't. or am i way off get vassel and play with everyone else that is around the world and then you shall see what we are talking about. No wonder don doesnt want him banned becasue the game you are talking about you should of never gotten a shot off at him if he out activated you and had quad override. after this post i am no longer going to argue with you because you really don't get it becasue you only play at your local venue. when did i say that i didn't play vassel, i do play on vassel i don't have the most recent version though
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strate_jakit wrote:maybe the reason you have trouble beating gowk is because you use up points on override activations and initiative control and i'm failing to see your point because my clearly undeveloped mind can only grasp the fact that when I use the teams that i do, i win even if the opponent has all that and i don't. or am i way off Actually, I don't have "trouble" beating GOWK. That isn't the issue at all really. But I cannot say I am all surprised that this was your comment back to me. You aren't nearly the first smart ass to make that comment. You win locally, which is very different than top level DCI play. I recognize you don't understand the difference. But everyone who does, would not be "applauding" your comments. Thank you for yet again, proving my point, even if you have no idea how you did it. And to reiterate, I would beat you 99/100 times if you run that GGDAC squad in a 150pt tournament, and I am not even positive you would win the 1. Anyways, no point arguing with a guy who doesn't get it. So moving on to more interesting things.
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I don't know billiv, i'm really tempted to bring up the time we played eachother on vassel and you lost. it was a while ago and i was using my friends account and i don't remember if i was using grievous supreme commander or original durge but i do remember winning. and if that doesn't show that i can compete with a "top level" player, fine
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strate_jakit wrote:I don't know billiv, i'm really tempted to bring up the time we played eachother on vassel and you lost. it was a while ago and i was using my friends account and i don't remember if i was using grievous supreme commander or original durge but i do remember winning. and if that doesn't show that i can compete with a "top level" player, fine Lol. 
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To get back on topic, i want him banned like no freakin tomorrow. He limits the meta, and makes it hard to run squads that arent direct damage.
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Capin_ahab wrote:To get back on topic, i want him banned like no freakin tomorrow. He limits the meta, and makes it hard to run squads that arent direct damage. agreed he makes everything a lot harder, that's why i like him. i almost never run gowk but i like playing against him
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