As I said my issue with that combo is the overlapping portion - A FP can already reroll Soresu, so the only point of LSD (Edit: I should go home and rethink my life after typing that) is while adjacent, but more than that it is strictly adjacent shooters, as Block in place of Defense would take care of everything else without overlap (Edit 2: Clarification: it has a greater feeling of redundancy which I'm not a fan of, regardless of the slight difference it offers).

As to the cost bump, comparing him to other Obi-wans all others (aside from & Anakin and 100pt Rebel) have double, yours has triple. That is pretty much it for the SAs in your cost range, where as you have several decent additional ones. Force Powers (in the 36-42 Rep Obi cost range) are Force Heal 20 and LS Deflect (1 with LS Assault). Comparatively speaking your version kinda puts them to shame, so upping the cost to Obi's "cost void" seems like a good fit.

heck ya Congrats to GG, mulit-layered piece is cool.


@surf
not really, because the game is meant as a competitive game. Therefore, design comes from a competitive nature. My piece is competitive in today's field.

To be honest, it is sometimes hard to design on CCC when people have fixed ways of judging. You are super biased against abilities for instance and really do not go outside your own thinking. I think it is odd that a piece with 2 really powerful abilities would not cost as much as a piece with 5 unhelpful abilities.
I try to vary my judgements based on what the person is trying to do with it.
Like GG's firefighter droids one time. I know they are not meant for mainstream squads, etc. or if a piece is meant to be a power 9 piece I would rank it accordingly. Part of my judging comes from what the piece is meant to do.

So, if you do not like that it has too many abilities that is a personal problem of your own you have to bypass while judging. Your cost calculator is not correct and should not be used in determining how you judge others designs imo.

Everyone has their own way of judging but I guess I look at it more from a "can this do what I want it to in the competitive realm"? and others are thinking just casually so there will always be a disconnect. But if an argument is brought up it should be recognized (especially if there is no proof otherwise, as of now, I say it is a meta shifting power 9.5 piece that will not be an auto include and no one has been able to dispute that... so it seems to be exactly what I wanted it to be and should be judged accordingly).

It's not a bad design, but I think you're a little to attached to your focus for it. Would a 5pt increase like Alex suggested break the design or it's intent? Not likely. Anyway I offered exactly why I feel a cost bump would be beneficial to the design, and yes it does stem from a personal preference of mine to not replace older pieces whenever possible. Sometimes it's inevitable, but I don't feel that applies in this case personally.

Either way Congrats GG.

Surf all trhis talk about cost has sparked my curiousity as to the exponential cost jumps in your calculator.

Take Ooroo for instance - he really only has 2 beneficial SAs (Flight and Self-Destruct Sequence 30). LS Wielder is accomplished simply by having an ignited LS on the figure or an ability with LS in it so really shouldn't add to cost I wouldn't think, the other 3 abilities would be negatives, and therefore probably shouldn't apply towards a jump.

Basically I'm curious as to whether the calculator differentiates negative and positive abilities for the "jumps".

Oh and you can still cast your votes even if it's "pointless".

Regarding Votes

GG 3rd

shmi/spry 1st or 2nd; never got far enough to decide and it was pointless with GG winning.


Regarding my "Cost Calculator

It does indeed assign negative numbers; as to how it affects the "jumps" donnyrides could answer that mathematically, but not me CH has a copy now; if he wants to try to figure out the equations, be my guest. Near as I can tell, it doesn't Jump as greatly if at all; I think its more of a threshold thing (4 abilities at 18 ... 5 abilities (with a 2 pt ability jumping to 23 instead of 22, etc.) No, I've never mapped out where exactly/what makes it jump ( 2 pt power.3 pt power.) I'm not an expert at Excel and it would give me a headache (Like trying to decipher Koba when he gets on a roll.) I just know it gets blasted close to what I think it should be and its right on target 95% of the time. I'm certainly not perfect and I'd be the first to say it.

jen, I Really don't want to get into this cost thing with you. You and I don't see eye to eye and I'm ok with that.

I'll give you this much and then I'm signing off on this.

I'd cost Gunner a 1 and cloaked a 4.

Out.