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Ruhk
Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 5:18:43 AM
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Yay! I'm happy to hear you guys like Kaan (for the most part :P).

@bane53; His CE was created thusly for essentially two fold reasons. 1. As I found Kaan (from reading the books and comics), during the battle of ruusan, he had his sith work together fighting among the troops, as much as leading the troops, something that was different from many other sith lord's stlye of rule. So it was added to represent how he made the Sith Lords and troops fight more closely together. and 2. Sith troopers suck and I wanted to see them get a boost. :D
jedispyder
Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:31:19 AM
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spryguy1981 wrote:
Previews from the Charlotte Regional

Tycho Celchu

Faction: NR
Cost: 26

HP: 70
Def: 16
Att: +9
Dmg: 10

Unique
Pilot
Twin Attack
Affinity (Rebel pilots may be in your squad regardless of faction).
Evade
Resilient
Synergy +4 (+4 attack and +4 Defense while an allied character whose name contains Wedge or Winter is within 6 squares)

Commander Effect:
Pilot allies gain Flanking Support (If this character combines fire against an enemy within 6 squares and the attack hits, that enemy has -4 Defense until the end of the round against allies that do not have mounted weapon.)

Flavor: "I present Colonel Tycho Celchu, leader of Rogue Squadron" -Wedge Antilles


I fixed the Affinity for you. It should be lower case "pilot" to signify you can bring in any Pilot in the Rebel Faction. It'll be nice to have Luke HPU available in the NR for some nice Force Push goodness (and also for a good low cost shooter).
Darth_Sal
Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:04:41 AM
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I love the Mando Advance Scout, him and the Sniper will work well together.. can't wait to make my customs!

Liking the possibility of Exar and Kaan.. he's the super Kel Dor...
dreadtech
Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:05:24 AM
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post 1 updated with Tycho & Jedi Diplomat
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:16:46 AM
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I'm just wondering how long Tycho has had this wonderful affinity for Rebel Pilots?? I am certain I used him in a test match and he didn't have it and I was using him solely as a backup shooter with Winter. This affinity makes him much, much better IMHO, especially with the Red Squadron Aces coming out. Must try this combo out soon.
gwek
Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:28:39 AM
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As an Old Rep fan, I definitely like the Jedi Diplomat. Between this guy, the Wook, and the Gray Jedi, the high-end non-Unique Force-users are really getting a facelift in this set. The JWM and JBM are starting to look a little stale!

A few questions about the Diplomat:

1) Does he have Affinity? I thought on SWM, someone mentioned Republic Affinity.

2) On Aggressive Negotiations:

Quote:
Aggressive Negotiations (This character is considered to have Diplomat until it makes an attack or is targeted by an enemy character. Characters with Ambush, Backlash, or It's a Trap can ignore this ability for the purpose of attacking this character.)


Is the bolded text correct? Should it be "or targets an enemy."

If so, Aggressive Negotiations is very close to a custom ability I've used a number of times called Disguised (in fact, identical except for the characters who can ignore). It's funny, but when I saw the name "Jedi Diplomat," one of my first thoughts was "I wonder if it'll have Diplomat?", followed quickly by "For a Jedi? Doubtful." And then "I bet it'll have something like Disguise... But what would they call it? Hmmm. Aggressive Negotiations?"
markedman247
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Question: Is the clarifier "Of any faction" necessary when it says "Rebel Pilots?" I know this is to help pieces like Wedge, Hoth Luke and Biggs Darklighter but it seems redundant unless I am missing Rebel Pilots that are in other factions besides Rebel.

Darthbane53
Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:19:14 AM
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Ruhk wrote:
Yay! I'm happy to hear you guys like Kaan (for the most part :P).

@bane53; His CE was created thusly for essentially two fold reasons. 1. As I found Kaan (from reading the books and comics), during the battle of ruusan, he had his sith work together fighting among the troops, as much as leading the troops, something that was different from many other sith lord's stlye of rule. So it was added to represent how he made the Sith Lords and troops fight more closely together. and 2. Sith troopers suck and I wanted to see them get a boost. :D


I totally understood from the start the motive for him to beef up this sith troopers, as with a lot of stuff from the
V-Sets try to do. But its nothing that would hurt him in a match for not using sith troops. Regardless, I must give props for IMO having the best match in stats-to-portrayel in the actuall books! You guys are headed in the right direction with these darth banes buddies ThumpUp all we need now is Githany(Banes 'love intrest') Cognis (Banes new apprentice) Kas'im(Galaxys best blade master, only to be debatable with windu) Qordis and Kopezc(Brotherhood director's)! Keep up the good work!
Ruhk
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@MM247, probably just a wording slip up, I believe the intent is for rebel pilots, should be cleaned up in the final release.

@gwek, text is correct. AN is in effect until the diplomat makes an attack, or gets targeted by an enemy with the abilities mentioned, that get around AN.
gwek
Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:49:11 PM
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That makes sense. I was reading each part of the power a "separate," but in the context of combining them, an opponent would basically need one of those three abilities to "break the resistance."

If I'm reading it right, the Jedi Diplomat can use Jedi Mind Trick and still maintain his "Diplomatic Shield", yes?
Sithborg
Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:05:00 AM
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gwek wrote:
That makes sense. I was reading each part of the power a "separate," but in the context of combining them, an opponent would basically need one of those three abilities to "break the resistance."

If I'm reading it right, the Jedi Diplomat can use Jedi Mind Trick and still maintain his "Diplomatic Shield", yes?


Correct.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:39:32 AM
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gwek wrote:
That makes sense. I was reading each part of the power a "separate," but in the context of combining them, an opponent would basically need one of those three abilities to "break the resistance."


Or just attack the Diplomat normally when no other enemy is within LOS.
Lord_Ball
Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:44:50 AM
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Darthbane53 wrote:
Being the Bane aficionado that I am I was giddy when I saw Zannah was coming out, and amazed Kaan also made the list. I think the designers pegged him, mostly... Everything on him is perfect, right where he should be in line with the sith, and even got thought bomb down smack. But the CE throws him off IMO. If my memory serves he was (one of) the leader of the Brother Hood of Darkness. He trained Sith, and Dark jedi. I dont recall him having any interaction with sith troopers at all and I really wouldn't want to play them with him. So just personally I would have done away with the CE all together or make it beneficial to some non unique sith to represent his 'Teacher' Role. Regardless I still appreciate all the work every one is doing to make this set possible. Thanks!

That's funny, because the CE is the only thing about Kaan I agree with.
OK Backlash is fine, but not necessary in representing Kaan's personality or fighting technique. Bravado - Kaan was a coward, though a CE granting Bravado would have been fitting.
I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of any charisma-based abilities (Affinity, All character count as sith, etc.)

While Kaan was a "master of mind tricks" I don't think Illusion was the way to go, and Thought Bomb isn't too bad - the cannot be cancelled is a nice touch, a bit weak, but I'm sure that's mainly to keep cost down making Bravado more useful.

I'd put Kaan in the Dooku pile of an interesting addition, just got the name wrong.
dreadtech
Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:34:50 AM
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Does anyone know if the new Kyle has/needs a lightsaber? just about ready to start hes custom fig. Not asking for stats just if he has a lightsaber.
Lord_Ball
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dreadtech wrote:
Does anyone know if the new Kyle has/needs a lightsaber? just about ready to start hes custom fig. Not asking for stats just if he has a lightsaber.


I do not know but considering he's "Rebel Agent" and the RM is Dash I would assume he does not (I would suspect the RM to be the original Kyle if he did have a LS).
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Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 7:38:51 AM
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Lord_Ball wrote:
dreadtech wrote:
Does anyone know if the new Kyle has/needs a lightsaber? just about ready to start hes custom fig. Not asking for stats just if he has a lightsaber.


I do not know but considering he's "Rebel Agent" and the RM is Dash I would assume he does not (I would suspect the RM to be the original Kyle if he did have a LS).


Exactly. This Kyle represents him in Dark Forces, before he becomes a Jedi, so no lightsaber for him.
jedispyder
Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 7:55:03 AM
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markedman247 wrote:
Question: Is the clarifier "Of any faction" necessary when it says "Rebel Pilots?" I know this is to help pieces like Wedge, Hoth Luke and Biggs Darklighter but it seems redundant unless I am missing Rebel Pilots that are in other factions besides Rebel.

It is redundant, but the design team wanted it on there just for clarification purposes. I double checked after you brought up this and Bill would like it to stay in.
dreadtech
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Thanks for the info on Kyle.
Darthbane53
Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:55:54 AM
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Lord_Ball wrote:
That's funny, because the CE is the only thing about Kaan I agree with.
OK Backlash is fine, but not necessary in representing Kaan's personality or fighting technique. Bravado - Kaan was a coward, though a CE granting Bravado would have been fitting.
I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of any charisma-based abilities (Affinity, All character count as sith, etc.)

While Kaan was a "master of mind tricks" I don't think Illusion was the way to go, and Thought Bomb isn't too bad - the cannot be cancelled is a nice touch, a bit weak, but I'm sure that's mainly to keep cost down making Bravado more useful.

I'd put Kaan in the Dooku pile of an interesting addition, just got the name wrong.


I will adimit its been like five years since I read the books, but from what I remember he was some beat stick of a sith but he was a decent combatant. I know he fits what I personally would look like in miniature form.
DarkLordVerjal
Posted: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:18:01 AM
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I think he is pretty much perfect, the 1 thing I can think of is Rapport for Sith Non-Uniques, but other then that...

Bravado I point towards his constant need to prove himself and show despite his title, he IS the Leader of the Sith. As for Illusion, I bring up his ability to touch minds and quell someone's anger.I translate this to stopping someone from attacking. I sincerely doubt the design team would make a new Force Power with the exact same effect because the name isn't perfect...
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