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DARPH NADER wrote:Next up...
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Urai Fen Cost 39
HP: 100
Def: 18
Att: +10
Dam: 20
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Zann Consortium
Melee Attack
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Cloaked
Sonic Stunner
Spinning Blade Attack
Tyber Zann's Bodyguard (If an adjacent character whose name contains Tyber Zann would take damage from an attack, this can take the damage instead)
Zann Consortium Decoy (whenever a small or medium Zann Consortium ally within 6 squares is targeted, this character may switch postions with that character. This charater becomes the target instead.)
Synergy +2 (Fringe allies with a Force rating, get +2 attcack while within 6 squares of this character)
FP:
Force 1
I am most pleased. Not only do I get my favorite character in EU, I get to whip out my custom.
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DARPH NADER wrote:AndyHatton wrote:Thank you for the Spoilers Darph Nader! Greatly appreciated! So excited for Luke and Urai is really really cool. Your welcome Mr. Hatton! I too very much like both of the pieces and can't help but get a boyish smirk about Fen's ZC Decoy in conjunction with Cloaked. Luke and Corran sittin in a tree.... Perhaps we shall meet in person at the PA regional in April. I love the Decoy abilities! Come at me Bro. Now deal with my angry eagle! Luke and Corran, Luke and Kyle...So much fun to be had! Now if we could just Clone Luke and have him team up with GMLS... Really hope I can make it this year! It'd be great to put so many faces to names.
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AndyHatton wrote:DARPH NADER wrote:AndyHatton wrote:Thank you for the Spoilers Darph Nader! Greatly appreciated! So excited for Luke and Urai is really really cool. Your welcome Mr. Hatton! I too very much like both of the pieces and can't help but get a boyish smirk about Fen's ZC Decoy in conjunction with Cloaked. Luke and Corran sittin in a tree.... Perhaps we shall meet in person at the PA regional in April. I love the Decoy abilities! Come at me Bro. Now deal with my angry eagle! Luke and Corran, Luke and Kyle...So much fun to be had! Don't forget about Saba! She has a new best friend. :-)
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With Urai, I can now create the OR Shan Consortium. :)
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AndyHatton wrote:Hoooooooooooooooooooooooly crap I'm so excited. He is awesome! DARPH NADER wrote:Ronson wrote:Is this for real? A lot of the abilities don't seem to fit? I thought JH was a bit odd but I love his CE and so does CH, JM! I think Jedi Hunter makes a lot of sense, Luke spends a lot of time fighting Dark Jedi, they aren't always Sith and they aren't always Imperial. Heck they aren't always "Dark Jedi" but he fights a lot of Evil Force users. You could give him Sith Hunter, but then what about fighting his Joruus or the Emperor Reborn, you can give him Imp Hunter but what about Lumyia etc etc. As for Ataru, to me Luke mastered the Three Styles for the New Jedi Order based on the Three Styles he learned. Ataru (Fast Style,) from Yoda. Soresu (Medium Style,) From Obi-Wan. Djem-So (Strong Style,) From fighting Vader. So I think Ataru is an interesting, different choice that I really like. Synergy +2. Luke recruited, befriended, and interacted with a lot of random weird Force Users over the years, so I think him helping out Fringers is a cool idea. These are just my interpretations of abilities that may seem odd at first. Well, i'm absolutely blown away. Your analysis of why he got those abilities is EXACT. This means (to me at least) that they were soundly reasoned. Jedi Hunter - given to boost his power and because he fought and beat all manner of force users. Fringe synergy - he needed force users to build his new order and without a jedi order he needed to pick fringe force users. This also gives a boost to some of the lesser fringe jedi that never see play. Atarau Style Mastery - although Djem So has been seen ubiquitously on Luke he knew a lot more than Djem So. He was taught Ataru style by Yoda (the ataru master) and we felt it would be a nice change to his representation while giving him enough power to compete with the likes of Mara Jade Jedi for power. Its a different tangent for luke based on his designs in the past but i think it really adds something to the NR and its not a deviation from his character, just a different focus.
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Wow! Luke, GH looks incredible! Fantastic mid-range beat and a great CE. He even helps Corran (  ). That Ratattki Warrior looks good. Rules question for Sithborg (I'm sure this get this question a lot)- can he use something like Death Strike in conjuunction with Twin Blaster? I'm guessing yes, but I want to have a response that I can print out and wave around.  I don't play Vong much but Qorreal (spelling?) looks cool. Very original idea for his SAs. DARPH NADER wrote:Next up...
45/60 Fringe
Urai Fen Cost 39
HP: 100
Def: 18
Att: +10
Dam: 20
SA:
Unique
Zann Consortium
Melee Attack
Double Attack
Cloaked
Sonic Stunner
Spinning Blade Attack
Tyber Zann's Bodyguard (If an adjacent character whose name contains Tyber Zann would take damage from an attack, this can take the damage instead)
Zann Consortium Decoy (whenever a small or medium Zann Consortium ally within 6 squares is targeted, this character may switch postions with that character. This charater becomes the target instead.)
Synergy +2 (Fringe allies with a Force rating, get +2 attcack while within 6 squares of this character)
FP:
Force 1
I don't mean this as a criticism, just as an honest question since I'm not very familiar with the character. Didn't he have some sort of regenerative abilities?
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fingersandteeth wrote:AndyHatton wrote:Hoooooooooooooooooooooooly crap I'm so excited. He is awesome! DARPH NADER wrote:Ronson wrote:Is this for real? A lot of the abilities don't seem to fit? I thought JH was a bit odd but I love his CE and so does CH, JM! I think Jedi Hunter makes a lot of sense, Luke spends a lot of time fighting Dark Jedi, they aren't always Sith and they aren't always Imperial. Heck they aren't always "Dark Jedi" but he fights a lot of Evil Force users. You could give him Sith Hunter, but then what about fighting his Joruus or the Emperor Reborn, you can give him Imp Hunter but what about Lumyia etc etc. As for Ataru, to me Luke mastered the Three Styles for the New Jedi Order based on the Three Styles he learned. Ataru (Fast Style,) from Yoda. Soresu (Medium Style,) From Obi-Wan. Djem-So (Strong Style,) From fighting Vader. So I think Ataru is an interesting, different choice that I really like. Synergy +2. Luke recruited, befriended, and interacted with a lot of random weird Force Users over the years, so I think him helping out Fringers is a cool idea. These are just my interpretations of abilities that may seem odd at first. Well, i'm absolutely blown away. Your analysis of why he got those abilities is EXACT. This means (to me at least) that they were soundly reasoned. Jedi Hunter - given to boost his power and because he fought and beat all manner of force users. Fringe synergy - he needed force users to build his new order and without a jedi order he needed to pick fringe force users. This also gives a boost to some of the lesser fringe jedi that never see play. Atarau Style Mastery - although Djem So has been seen ubiquitously on Luke he knew a lot more than Djem So. He was taught Ataru style by Yoda (the ataru master) and we felt it would be a nice change to his representation while giving him enough power to compete with the likes of Mara Jade Jedi for power. Its a different tangent for luke based on his designs in the past but i think it really adds something to the NR and its not a deviation from his character, just a different focus. Wow, haha well I'm glad I was that accurate. I'm really happy we have a Luke who showcases something different, not just a paired down Jedi Master or Head of the Order. I'm really really excited to play him. That CE is so good and will help out so many NR Jedi. It is very exciting.
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"Thank you! And before someone criticises, I think it's cool that there are two NR Lukes being sent out at the same tme - the 100 point one is kind of niche anyway. Looking forward to seeing Luke Galactic Hero."
I think its a very valid criticism. The fact that one is a "niche" is neither here or there.
I do think this is the better out of the two. At least this one offer up something new for the character which is very welcome.
Just wish Old Republic were so lucky, as they really only have 1 decent character at this point range (30-40)
Out of the other 3, don't like the Vong at all but the other two are decent.
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dreadtech wrote:Just wish Old Republic were so lucky, as they really only have 1 decent character at this point range (30-40). Seriously??? Assuming you mean Bastila.... What about Atton "Jaq" and Mical, these are very good to excellent mid range OR pieces. Oh and let's not forget about Satele.
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DARPH NADER wrote:dreadtech wrote:Just wish Old Republic were so lucky, as they really only have 1 decent character at this point range (30-40). Seriously??? Assuming you mean Bastila.... What about Atton "Jaq" and Mical, these are very good to excellent mid range OR pieces. Oh and let's not forget about Satele. Yeah, Old Republic has a lot of really good 30-40 point pieces. Bastila, Atton, Carth, and Satele all fall in that range, and every single one of those is tier 1. I particularly don't understand any complaints about the Bounty Hunter's Challenge Luke and this Luke coming out at the same time, because Luke MotO was designed for the set 4 release at GenCon. Plenty of people have his card, and it's currently available online. It just hasn't been published inside of a full set yet. Considering him a part of set 5 is silly.
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I didn't see Luke's Ataru Style Mastery on first look - that makes him nasty. I wonder if you can use one of the big Force Pushers (like Jaden Korr) to isolate a piece, then have Luke beat on it. I really like the CE as well - GMA for New Republic is a good idea.
What factions are Urai Fen best in? I can imagine him working in Imperial - Spinning Blade Attack with Thrawn's Opportunist and Swap probably has some potential.
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DARPH NADER wrote:dreadtech wrote:Just wish Old Republic were so lucky, as they really only have 1 decent character at this point range (30-40). Seriously??? Assuming you mean Bastila.... What about Atton "Jaq" and Mical, these are very good to excellent mid range OR pieces. Oh and let's not forget about Satele. You assume wrong, I was talking about Atton. Bastila is not all that in casual play were you win by defeating all your enemy, she runs out of force points very fast and outside of her 1 good thing she has very little to offer. Satele on reflection probably is not that bad, its just most of WOTC OR has very poor stats especially defense and any half decent jedi character suffer from the fact they were jedi type characters. Melee characters especially in OR cannot compete against shooters. Vsets really has not done much for that faction, while they have had some good characters those are still not as good as other factions are getting from the vsets. As far as I am concerned they still do not have 1 decent commander when compared to what other faction commanders bring to the game. I'm almost sure OR will not get a character as good as this Luke is this set. Not that I am over found of melee characters in general any more, but for 40p I can see me using this Luke at least a few time. We are not goig to agree on this, I know.
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dreadtech wrote:"Thank you! And before someone criticises, I think it's cool that there are two NR Lukes being sent out at the same tme - the 100 point one is kind of niche anyway. Looking forward to seeing Luke Galactic Hero."
I think its a very valid criticism. The fact that one is a "niche" is neither here or there.
Just remember, the BHC pieces were not designed for this set. They were designed with V4. It's just the nature of the BHC, that the main printing is coming out with V5. And considering the BHC wasn't open to what they were till V5 was well underway, I don't think it is fair to criticize us on this.
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Sithborg wrote:dreadtech wrote:"Thank you! And before someone criticises, I think it's cool that there are two NR Lukes being sent out at the same tme - the 100 point one is kind of niche anyway. Looking forward to seeing Luke Galactic Hero."
I think its a very valid criticism. The fact that one is a "niche" is neither here or there.
Just remember, the BHC pieces were not designed for this set. They were designed with V4. It's just the nature of the BHC, that the main printing is coming out with V5. And considering the BHC wasn't open to what they were till V5 was well underway, I don't think it is fair to criticize us on this. Maybe so, however a lot of us never saw this character or even heard of him until a few weeks ago, so it is perfectly understandable if he is considered part of set 5 to a lot of us. However i except your explanation.
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dreadtech wrote:DARPH NADER wrote:dreadtech wrote:Just wish Old Republic were so lucky, as they really only have 1 decent character at this point range (30-40). Seriously??? Assuming you mean Bastila.... What about Atton "Jaq" and Mical, these are very good to excellent mid range OR pieces. Oh and let's not forget about Satele. You assume wrong, I was talking about Atton. Bastila is not all that in casual play were you win by defeating all your enemy, she runs out of force points very fast and outside of her 1 good thing she has very little to offer. Satele on reflection probably is not that bad, its just most of WOTC OR has very poor stats especially defense and any half decent jedi character suffer from the fact they were jedi type characters. Melee characters especially in OR cannot compete against shooters. Vsets really has not done much for that faction, while they have had some good characters those are still not as good as other factions are getting from the vsets. As far as I am concerned they still do not have 1 decent commander when compared to what other faction commanders bring to the game. We are not goig to agree on this, I know. The Revanchist is an excellent OR commander. Saul Karath isn't all that great but he makes Carth pretty deadly. Atton can get all sorts of goodies from Fringe Pilot CEs. Master Kavar has an excellent CE. The OR Senator has a great CE, and you can use multiples. While not all of these commanders are in the 30-40 point range that's not what I'm contending here, rather the point you made about the OR not having good CEs.
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Compared to other faction CEs they don't.
Kavor +3 Def +3 Att
Cheaper commanders grant +4Def and +4Att plus it can be given to better support characters that begin with higher defenses and attacks than OR has to begin with.
The Revanchist, please! Every faction has a better commander than this and a fair few of those are board-wide.
Fringe Pilot CEs. is not old republic and anyway so can other pilots , who also can benefit from there own faction pilot commanders on top.
As for The OR Senator, sure if he had good characters to give it to. at the moment he has 1 or 2 which BTW also means your squad has little diversity.
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dreadtech wrote:Vsets really has not done much for that faction, while they have had some good characters those are still not as good as other factions are getting from the vsets. I'd actually argue that the Old Republic have done better than any other faction from the v-sets. They've vaulted from the worst faction, to one of the stronger factions, at least at 200 points. They had very little before the v-sets; I'd argue that the Jedi Battlemaster was their only one really good piece, although Mira, Jedi Exile, and Juggernaut War Droid do have their moments too. But they have lots of choices now - the new Bao Dur opens up droid squads, Satele Shan is a defensive monster, Carth and Atton are really strong shooters, and the Covenant pieces are getting interesting. I was critical a couple of sets ago that there was only one standard OR squad, but I think that is changing now. It's also worth noting that Satele, Bastila, and Jaq are three of the most criticised pieces from the v-sets in terms of being overpowered.
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dreadtech wrote:Compared to other faction CEs they don't.
Kavor +3 Def +3 Att
Cheaper commanders grant +4Def and +4Att plus it can be given to better support characters that begin with higher defenses and attacks than OR has to begin with.
The Revanchist, please! Every faction has a better commander than this and a fair few of those are board-wide.
Fringe Pilot CEs. is not old republic and anyway so can other pilots , who also can benefit from there own faction pilot commanders on top.
As for The OR Senator, sure if he had good characters to give it to. at the moment he has 1 or 2 which BTW also means your squad has little diversity. What commander gives a straight up +4 Atk/+4 Def? What faction has a boardwide CE granting Ambush, Backlash, or GMA? Ambush is extremely important since, as you point out, many OR pieces are melee. The Fringe pilot CEs are perfectly relevant. Yoyu're claiming thhat the OR has next to zero support, or good support at least. No good characters to give it to???? Carth, Mical, Mira (although TheHutts will jump on that one), Atton, Vandar, Jedi Shadows, Satele, etc.
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corranhorn wrote:
What commander gives a straight up +4 Atk/+4 Def?
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No good characters to give it to???? Carth, Mical, Mira (although TheHutts will jump on that one), Atton, Vandar, Jedi Shadows, Satele, etc.
I do like Carth much better for the Senator shots, as he has access to Evade, and he costs 20 points less, but Mira is definitely a valid option for the Senator shots. Having Satele to bodyguard her maybe makes her more viable too. The Mirialian Jedi with Twin is a good one too. GOWK gives out +4/-4, and is obviously a tier 1 uber-piece, but Kavar did win a Regional last year, so I wouldn't discount him.
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TheHutts wrote:I didn't see Luke's Ataru Style Mastery on first look - that makes him nasty. I wonder if you can use one of the big Force Pushers (like Jaden Korr) to isolate a piece, then have Luke beat on it. I really like the CE as well - GMA for New Republic is a good idea.
What factions are Urai Fen best in? I can imagine him working in Imperial - Spinning Blade Attack with Thrawn's Opportunist and Swap probably has some potential. I've had some fun with Tyber Zann in Imperial, so I can imagine Urai is a fun fit.
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