Technically, GOWK's is different under condition of having an ally within 6. It is board-wide without Mas, but isn't quite the same. One good strafe/galloping attack and you can see the difference.

Speaking as a poster/reader, can we try to cut the quotes down to the relevant bits?

"Speaking as a poster/reader, can we try to cut the quotes down to the relevant bits? "

Good point.

Anyway

My point about OR is that they do not have single commander that is not topped by a commander from another faction. Every faction has a commander that beats others for the effect it is handing out or just for versatility on who it effects or for that commanders cost. Now there may well be individuals within OR that seem good on the service, but again when you look at other factions for similar characters within there faction they are cheaper to use or can benefit from a combination of commanders for far grater use and effect. So maybe its not the individuals but the faction in general?

Most of this comes from from what WOTC did and while the vsets have gone a long way to help they are still IMO the worse faction. Take the non-unique Jedi, all but 1 does not have force renewal, many force characters on other faction do for the same cost or can get gain it. Not all I know but you can just pick the ones that do. Covenant Hand has a totally redundant SA which I assume was costed into the character when made. Krynda Draay giving FR1 to covenant characters, still cannot compete with Holosid who gives it to anyone. Giving Luican triple attack is still only giving him the damage output a lot of other faction jedi and indeed non-jedi can do anyway. Although in Krynda case it does fit in with who and what the character should do. So not saying Krynda is poorly designed because shes not, it just that she like most of OR she fall short of what other factions are getting.

Old Republic Senator has been mention as an example of a good commander for that faction, Why? He give an extra attack at +10 damage? So what others factions have the same CE and a lot can have the attack boosted as well for a lot less than OR can. OK maybe not a bad commander on the service but again not on a par with other factions which is my point. they Have sub-par troopers who can not gain a fraction of what other factions can get, and get quite cheaply, such as board-wide evade. The faction has no way to bring in extra activations and before fringe characters is mentioned remember that every faction has that so not really doing much for OR as OR cannot give out the same CEs that the other factions are getting.

Finally any unique abilities OR has such as sever force are replace turn abilities so for the most part you are just better doing the damage. With one exception Shatter Beam, Oh wait! no don't even have that.

Now I don't play using DCI rules so it may well be that characters such as Bastila are good in that format because of time retrains and you win on points which can be obtained though other means. Outside of that no.

Umm, Krynda is more Palpatine than Holosid. Hand of the Covenant with her is just as useful as Hand of the Emperor is with Emperor Palpatine. And don't knock her. She gives the Covenant some nasty init control, second only to Master Tactician.

Agree with your 1st point. I must be missing something because the init control doesn't seem that strong.

I see using STF as limiting her force pool for the Hands too much.
I'd be tempted to run the OR Tactician for the straight +4 init and the other Covenant get Recon by rangeless CE.

Brings up a question: Does CWC persist through init rerolls? (I'd think not based on similar abilties)

Love the new Luke's CE. Melee attackers need GMA far more than shooters, but WotC gave us only 3 GMA melee pieces versus 10 shooters. NR especially is filled with useless melee attackers who just became way more useful with GMA. Even better than Lightsaber Assault from Anakin since it's both free and boardwide.

I was about to bring that up. There's absolutely no way it's at all subpar. Onwe of the best CEs in the game, especially since the OR Senator is non-Unique.

Scratch that, you're right. I should probably actually play a game with Jaq sometime. Or just check the character page.

In what way is the OR Senator subpar?