Since were also talking about jango here are my ideas for a new one

Jango Fett, Prime Clone

Fringe 63

HP 110
Df 19
At 9
Dm 10

Unique
Rapport (costs 5 less in a separatist squad)
Triple attack
Twin attack
Assassin
Bounty hunter +4
Flight
Evade
Close quarters fighting
Flamethrower 20

If you imply you will still discuss the Design of V-Sets under a different name, how is that bowing out exactly??

I don't think you should stay away from conversations about character design, be it before or after a piece is made. But I do think everyone as a whole, this of course includes myself as well as you, can be more civil. This thread only derailed somewhat when you came in to hate on Boba Fett. Playing around or not, that's pretty childish to do when you know it will certainly provoke a negative response. Only a few people other than myself responded in length about it, but to be honest we shouldn't have been given the opportunity either.

Lots of threads recently have become messy too...

The one I made complaining about Carth wasn't my brightest moment, but it did bring up plenty of good points on both sides, or the various Mace threads which as interesting as they are to read all the views, are getting old...

So one way or another Bill, if you are willing to throw your thoughts and opinions our way, please don't get upset when we share ours as well. And when we do, we could, and should be nicer about it too.

To second what Saslon said, I'd be very sad if Bill stopped giving insight into the design process. It's not really fair to criticise and expect the design team to change their mind, when they've already gone through the testing and publishing process. If you want to have input, you really need to get involved in playtesting, rather than complain after the set has been tested and printed. Bill is decisive and authoritative in his posts, but he has to be - it seems like there is a really good quality control process with the v-sets, and he should be proud of them and back them up. And I'm not involved in the process at all - I've maybe played 1-2 playtesting games with early drafts of pieces with other members of my group who playtest - but that's it. I'm just excited about getting a high quality product at the end.

It seems whatever problem you have with this is fixed.

I have told Bill privately and I think publicly as well, that I have no ill feelings towards him, but it doesn't mean I agree with his methods or mannerisms at all times either, just as some probably don't agree with my own. I have also told him before that I enjoy conversing with him, not arguing, although it does come to that at times. My favorite one was the size of the Terentatek Mini, where we both have our points, and nobody is the real winner or loser, we just get to see each others points, opinions, sides and I suppose come to understand them. A discussion/disagreement that starts off a tad hostile but grows into enlightenment on both sides. Discussions like that are good to have.


btw, you seem to have not read the rest of my quoted segment, where I am suggesting some of the problem or ill content people have with the V-Set design is only being allowed to see it from one major point of view, which is mostly just Bill. It's rare to see the other people talk about any of it, and I think it would be great if they did. It would calm a lot of people down with their worries maybe.

Anyway..

Bill admits to coming to this thread to cause drama, to which some of us replied, and pointed things out about what he had said. The problem is once some of us say our part he just backs away and doesn't wish to continue any discussion, not that this is the friendliest moment either... Perhaps he is right to step away this time, just as we could or should have maybe..

Regardless of anything said in this particular thread, I don't see it as any reason for him to step away entirely, because that's ultimately counter productive of the entire game right now.

Seriously Bill, don't take everything as some big insult or offense, we are allowed to all disagree from time to time.

I'm not sure I have anything else to say about it all, and I'd rather not contribute any further than I have to bringing this thread off topic.

More Boba Fett talk imo.

Maybe a bleed effect that works similar to force corruption.

Retractable Blade: When an adjacent enemy is damaged by this character it takes an additional 10 damage and is now Bleeding. Each time a Bleeding character activates it must make a save of 11, on a failure it takes 10 damage, on success it is no longer Bleeding.

This ability is right out of SWTOR too btw for the Powertech. Something fun for sure.

Yes! Couldn't agree more. Not a beat stick so much as a Jack of all trades.

A whipcord ability would be great too

Grapple: Range 6; Target enemy is drawn to an open square adjacent to this character. This ability can only be used if the character does not make any movement. Huge and larger characters cannot be affected by this ability.

I figure this allows a grab, and then I suppose that retractable blade as well. It would make for an interesting trick Jango. Very flavorful.

Can also go this route

Grapple: Replaces attacks: Range 6; Target enemy is drawn to an open square adjacent to this character. The target is also considered activated for the rest of the round, save 11. Huge and larger characters cannot be affected by this ability.

Then you have an interesting way to bring characters to you as well as potentially costing them a turn, at the expense of not dealing damage with Jango at all.

Yeah lots of cool things to be had.

If they make a new Baba, I hope it has the flavour text: «Out of my way, human excrement!» Ponda Baba to Luke Skywalker

I see our R5 Astromech Droid is malfunctioning again.

I gotta say I really like the Retractable Blade SA idea!!! Very cool!

It's back on topic. Good, let's keep it there.