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Poll Question : What Should Be Done With ! Ratings On Squads? (Poll is closed)
Choice Votes Statistics
Yes, I Like These Idea's & Think This Would Work! 42 71.186440 %
No, I Dont Like These Idea's So Leave It As Is! 8 13.559322 %
I am not sure on what to do! 5 8.474576 %
There Is Different Ways To Go & Different Idea's! 4 6.779661 %

A Poll On Stopping 1 Rating No Comments Options
DarkDracul
Posted: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:05:29 PM
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billiv15 wrote:
I just don't see it being a real solution. You are better off with lots of people, which helps average out the ones who make poor ratings (poor here means uniformed, not low).
You think the current ranking system would be better off with lots of people participating?
billiv15 wrote:
Although, as I said, I kinda gave up on rating squads much lately. Just isn't worth my time..
Even you complain about the current system and don't want to participate in it.

BlooMilk could have it's own panel to rate squads. I assumed individuals like yourself would be on such a panel. I would trust a BlooMilk panel over the hordes of people who rate your squads 1 because they think you're a jurk.
billiv15 wrote:
Absolutely not. I will stop using the site if this happens. This creates a race atmosphere to squad building on the site, and I will not participate in that. Squad ratings should be more than who built it first. Sorry, some people make 1000s of squads, never play them, and when one close to something they made once months ago gets some attention they go, "Oh look, I made that first, aren't I awesome". It also discourages newer players from playing with combos they "discover". No one wants to be told their idea wasn't "original". Plus there is the added problem that once someone discovers theirs won't be public, all they will do is trade an ugo for a mouse, etc.
Agreed. You made some good points. That was a bad idea.

billiv15 wrote:
...the nature of the problem, personal responsibility coupled with a general inability to accept critique. Some people are irresponsible and you all are trying to stop them. Problem is, there is no fool proof way of doing it. You can make it harder for them, but never stop them.

Which is why it's illegal for students to grade each others work.
Only a teacher may give grades. Or in this instance ratings by BlooMilk instead of by user. These raters would only be members BlooMilk trusts to rate squads responsibly.
(Long time, donating members with a good record of rating many squads.)
Ratings by such a group would mean more than those given by the "irresponsible" masses.

billiv15 wrote:
DarkDracul wrote:
I want my suggestions noticed so think I'll put them in a new thread as well..
Wow, and people say I have an ego.....

Yes, I'm guilty of thinking my ideas have some value.
I donate to BlooMilk and want to help make it better place.
I'm sorry you interpreted this as meglomania.
kenred2
Posted: Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:24:27 AM
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DarkDracul wrote:
billiv15 wrote:
I just don't see it being a real solution. You are better off with lots of people, which helps average out the ones who make poor ratings (poor here means uniformed, not low).
You think the current ranking system would be better off with lots of people participating?
billiv15 wrote:
Although, as I said, I kinda gave up on rating squads much lately. Just isn't worth my time..
Even you complain about the current system and don't want to participate in it.

BlooMilk could have it's own panel to rate squads. I assumed individuals like yourself would be on such a panel. I would trust a BlooMilk panel over the hordes of people who rate your squads 1 because they think you're a jurk.
billiv15 wrote:
Absolutely not. I will stop using the site if this happens. This creates a race atmosphere to squad building on the site, and I will not participate in that. Squad ratings should be more than who built it first. Sorry, some people make 1000s of squads, never play them, and when one close to something they made once months ago gets some attention they go, "Oh look, I made that first, aren't I awesome". It also discourages newer players from playing with combos they "discover". No one wants to be told their idea wasn't "original". Plus there is the added problem that once someone discovers theirs won't be public, all they will do is trade an ugo for a mouse, etc.
Agreed. You made some good points. That was a bad idea.

billiv15 wrote:
...the nature of the problem, personal responsibility coupled with a general inability to accept critique. Some people are irresponsible and you all are trying to stop them. Problem is, there is no fool proof way of doing it. You can make it harder for them, but never stop them.

Which is why it's illegal for students to grade each others work.
Only a teacher may give grades. Or in this instance ratings by BlooMilk instead of by user. These raters would only be members BlooMilk trusts to rate squads responsibly.
(Long time, donating members with a good record of rating many squads.)
Ratings by such a group would mean more than those given by the "irresponsible" masses.

billiv15 wrote:
DarkDracul wrote:
I want my suggestions noticed so think I'll put them in a new thread as well..
Wow, and people say I have an ego.....

Yes, I'm guilty of thinking my ideas have some value.
I donate to BlooMilk and want to help make it better place.
I'm sorry you interpreted this as meglomania.


Why segregate members the option to rate even if they didn't donate? Having to donate should not be a requirement, nor should it be where obnoxious people wanted to have "special privileges" just because they donate. Donation isn't, and shouldn't be where you help yourselves to think you're better than anyone else in this forum... donation comes from helping the website grow and continue. Comparing "illegal for students to grade each others work"... who are you to judge who rates or not? People have to be responsible for themselves when they rate squads, and it's not to be taken seriously. My squads have been rated 1's before, but I didn't mind because what I build is something for me t be proud of. What's important is the comments the users put for the squad build. If there is a way to enforce squad comments is required for rating, I would support it. That way people can understand what's going on with the squad(s) instead of personal attacks.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, August 1, 2009 4:14:22 AM
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kenred2 wrote:
Why segregate members the option to rate even if they didn't donate? Having to donate should not be a requirement, nor should it be where obnoxious people wanted to have "special privileges" just because they donate. Donation isn't, and shouldn't be where you help yourselves to think you're better than anyone else in this forum... donation comes from helping the website grow and continue. Comparing "illegal for students to grade each others work"... who are you to judge who rates or not? People have to be responsible for themselves when they rate squads, and it's not to be taken seriously. My squads have been rated 1's before, but I didn't mind because what I build is something for me t be proud of. What's important is the comments the users put for the squad build. If there is a way to enforce squad comments is required for rating, I would support it. That way people can understand what's going on with the squad(s) instead of personal attacks.


I Agree, it isnt a most do to donate & taking away things to people who dont donate isnt fair either. Of course it would be great if everyone gave a $1 here & there to the site because if every member even did that, we'd pull in a large donation combined. But this is a free site its not a have to option. Not many people have the ends these days in this economy to donate, & because they are going through tough times more than some other people shouldnt give them no right to use the options on this site as others who would donate do. That would be very unfair. So i see completely where your coming from Ken & i agree..
DarkDracul
Posted: Saturday, August 1, 2009 7:09:14 AM
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kenred2 wrote:
Why segregate members the option to rate even if they didn't donate? Having to donate should not be a requirement, nor should it be where obnoxious people wanted to have "special privileges" just because they donate. Donation isn't, and shouldn't be where you help yourselves to think you're better than anyone else in this forum... donation comes from helping the website grow and continue.
I agree with your comments about donation. However, I don't understand anyone being jealous or resentful of other members for providing such a service. There's plenty of other media who have individuals or groups rate; hotels, movies, sports teams, ect. Perhaps the persons could remain anonymous to avoid such member envy.
kenred2 wrote:
Comparing "illegal for students to grade each others work"... who are you to judge who rates or not? .

BlooMilk has the right to judge who rates or not.
They could pick whoever they want to represent them.
They could get rid of the rating system entirely.
Rating squads on BlooMilk is a privalige not a right.
kenred2 wrote:
People have to be responsible for themselves when they rate squads, and it's not to be taken seriously. My squads have been rated 1's before, but I didn't mind because what I build is something for me t be proud of. What's important is the comments the users put for the squad build. If there is a way to enforce squad comments is required for rating, I would support it. That way people can understand what's going on with the squad(s) instead of personal attacks.


I was very disapointed to see how people use rating squads to make personal attacks.
It makes the entire rating system meaningless. It's impossible to stop people from being irresponsible when rating squads. Requiring squad comments and administrating them would a huge task. I doubt BlooMilk could handle that. If squad ratings are not to be taken seriously then there's no point in doing them. Which is why I suggested a special group to offer us meaningful critiques.

Perhaps if users could filter which user's ratings to apply when searching for squads.
You would still see the comments & ratings left by all members, but the squad ratings would reflect only those given by your chosen members.
idontknow
Posted: Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:25:19 AM
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I would agree with option 1 and 2
LoboStele
Posted: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:00:26 AM
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Having a "Ratings Board" for squads would be ridiculous. Have you ever looked at how many new squads are posted on here everyday? Would that board be responsible to evaluate every single squad that gets posted? What happens when somebody posts a "fun" squad, and the board rates it all 4's and below. Or maybe they intentionally vote it a tad higher because they don't want to hurt that person's feelings? It's just not a good solution.

Billiv15 is right when he says that the only way the rating system will ever improve is when the community grows up, and everyone starts rating squads seriously, and not just screwing around. But realistically, that's never going to happen.

9 times out of 10, I look at a squad, and don't end up rating it all, because it's not even close to competitive enough for me to be bothered dealing with the backlash if I rate it poorly and person complains to me about it.

The main problem I see with the idea of forcing people to leave comments is that it won't deter those who want to screw with you anyways. And it will likely just cause more backlash like Billv15 and Zalkrie were talking about, where people PM each other upset over a comment/rating. The only way I can see that working is if ALL of the comments because anonymous. The rating can be tied to the comment still, but no screenname given along with the comment. Then people would feel safe to speak their minds without possible retaliation.

Even so....I haven't used the rating system in quite a while. It's just irritated me. I consistently see squads in the "Top 5" lists, that I know shouldn't be there, simply because they managed to get the 25 or 30 vote minimum that it takes to make the list there. Doesn't mean they are the best squad. Just means they're popular, or that a bunch of people just happened to see it when it first got posted. If your squad doesn't get noticed right away, it disappears. There's no point to the rating system beyond personal pride. Comments are great, but ratings mean nothing, at least to me.
mercenary_moose
Posted: Monday, August 3, 2009 4:38:06 AM
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OK, it seems clear that there is no "quick 'n' easy" solution to deal with the ratings system. We've been working at this for about 6 months now (it could've been going on longer, but not that I am aware of, as I only joined in December '08) and have found not one solution without imperfections. So let's face it: There will be no perfect system out there. As long as the human factor is heavily involved, there will be severe flaws.

With that out of the way, I think that our best option is to leave behind non-anonymous comments. Yes, noobs will still get on by giving you a 1 and leaving behind a comment saying something like "this squad sux lolololololol", but then that makes them traceable. It should be strongly encouraged that personal attacks should not be undertaken but rather the offending noob should be placed on a SRK List in the forums, rather like our own BTL. If these users keep rating other squads lowly, they will be banned from the site, as they have just proven that they are of no value to the community. Meanwhile, squads will receive far more constructive comments than they ever had had before. The problem is the relativity of squad ratings. What is an honest ranking? If someone gives you, say, a 4 on a squad with an average of around 6, is that rating killing? In order for this to work out, everyone on the site must assume far more responsibility than in the past, which simply cannot be expected from all 2100 members of the site. Before you post to criticize my idea, though, read the top paragraph.

The worst thing that we could do is an SWShoebox-style system; in which all ratings are kept anonymous and you could only comment on or "Favorite" a certain build. That will lead to the death of the ratings system, as people will just stop rating squads, period, and will just comment something lame and give you your little yellow Favorites star if they like it. For all of you who have a Shoebox account, think: When have you ever rated someone else's squad or even remotely paid attention to your average rating? The answer is likely never. Believe me, there is a reason why Shoebox is a dead site.
DarkDracul
Posted: Monday, August 3, 2009 2:09:03 PM
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Just add a new filter, "Show squads rated by these users."
Then you could choose 5 or more users and see what squads they rated.
You could get a list of squads rated by 5 of the top swm players.
You could get a list of squads your friends or local players have rated.





FlyingArrow
Posted: Monday, August 3, 2009 2:29:20 PM
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I think there should be a difference between 'recent squads' and 'public squads'. Mark everything you want as public so people can view your public squads, but the 'recent squads' list is where people go to find squads to rate - and there are just too many there. Limit it to one squad per day or one every 2 or 3 days, or one squad for every 10 you've rated. Make people do some self-filtering so that each person's "best" are the ones that others rate.

The 1's are annoying, but I don't think they're a big deal. Sure, probably some immaturity on the part of some users, but I don't think there's much you can do about it that wouldn't have worse unintended side effects (such as causing far fewer ratings overall).
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 9:44:21 AM
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LoL.. i just noticed that since i made this thread... everyone of my squads in the top 5's all got like 3..1's..all of a sudden.. i look at it like proving my point & hopefully this gets these idea's i suggested put into action now.. Atleast the 1st one where you have to leave a comment.. so i guess a thanx to these people is in order.. thanx lol
joelker41
Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:49:37 AM
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Darth Percocet wrote:
LoL.. i just noticed that since i made this thread... everyone of my squads in the top 5's all got like 3..1's..all of a sudden.. i look at it like proving my point & hopefully this gets these idea's i suggested put into action now.. Atleast the 1st one where you have to leave a comment.. so i guess a thanx to these people is in order.. thanx lol


You aren't the first nor the last person to receive 1s on squads, my top squad got the same treatment.

Honestly most of the top 5 squads (yes, the majority of yours as well) are not top 5 worthy nor are they an accurate reflection of anything but your opinion of what is good.

I don't mind rating systems as long as they are accurate, unfortunately it won't be when people who are misinformed on the meta and even fun squads rate a really mediocre squad highly.

Multiple usernames boosting squads to the top 5 is a bigger, it is a big difference between being a jerk (giving a 1) and simply breaking the rules of the system (creating multiple usernames).

Heck, my Durge's Dominion squad has 9 ratings, and has had 9 ratings forever, one away from top 5 consideration. I don't care, it isn't worthy of being in the top 5 anyways.

My GCS-What can Kouhun do for you? squad was on the top 5, then I got torpedoed almost immediately with 1s.

I am still ok with that. Why? It as well isn't worthy of the top 5.

This thread's wording often approaches vanity, not helpfulness. I love this site, but I don't post squads just to get raatings nor do I build squads to get them. Stop getting emotional about it, that only fuels the1 rating givers.
shinja
Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:23:32 AM
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I often hear people say that the Top Squads don't represent the best squads. They aren't meant to. When they more accurately represented the best squads, people complained that they never changed. Now they show good squads that have been made recently. This way, the top squads list changes more often, and people get exposed to a bigger variety of squads on the list. And more people have a chance to be on the list, which is important to a lot of users, even if some users think it's not important.

Unfortunately, most squads don't even get enough ratings to have a remotely accurate picture of how good they are. This goes back to the idea that the more ratings there are, the better the system will work. For instance, as of this writing, only 3 150 squads fit my current criteria for a "Top Squad", and frankly, my criteria is not too tough anymore. People just need to rate more. :)

I think I have some good ideas for changes to help the rating system on my end. I probably won't get them implemented until after Gencon, though.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:48:56 AM
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joelker41 wrote:
You aren't the first nor the last person to receive 1s on squads, my top squad got the same treatment.

Honestly most of the top 5 squads (yes, the majority of yours as well) are not top 5 worthy nor are they an accurate reflection of anything but your opinion of what is good.


No maybe arent worthy of top 5 & may not be top tier, but they all squads i have up there all have more than 20 ratings, mutiple 10's, 9's 8's, etc.. & 3' 1's.. & another thing about my squads on the top 5 are different from everything else you see. Maybe people are liking the fact they arent seeing the same old Emp Palp Sith Lord, Rex, Cody etc squads. I'd rather have different squads on the top 5 & not the same old stuff on there. & i think most of the people on here wanna see that too. Same old republic squads etc.

I have the Malak & The First Crusades up there which was unique when i made it. Same with my Sidious Pawn Of the IG-Lancer, it was a different theme squad when it was made which has almost 60 ratings & still has an 8.3.. My Double Save Rolls Why Not is on the top 5, which was unique when it was first made. So basically i think people dont wanna same the same boring stuff up there. Wiether it be a squad i made or anyone made.

Bill just made a squad that is right now on the #1 spot on top 5 200, its a unique squad who noone ever seen that combo before & i gave it a 10, its top 5 worthy to me because its creative which i base most of my rating on & it also is good.

Basically just because you dont think something should be on the top 5 doesnt mean others think that too. How do you know how someone else is gonna run there squad? You dont. So it may not look top 5 worthy to you, but you dont know how the squads ran. Other people rate the squads, so whatever is in the top 5 on any pt cost, deserves to be there. Just because you think it dont, than thats your right to think that. Dont come on here blasting other people because your not happy with the top 5 squads. If you dont like them, then rate all the top 5 squads & give a reason to your rating. Thats why its there. Thats why taking that away would kill this site. Its the annomous 1 droppers with no commets is whats gonna me people stop making & rating & commenting squads.

Im also tired of hearing well that squad has low HP & yobuck, ig-lancer etc. will destroy any squad. What makes you think people are bringing there figures out to let them do it. How do you know how im gonna run my squad? If you knew how everyone runs there squads that your saying well they shouldnt be rated this good, then your the #1 player in the world in my book to be able to openly say a squad isnt worth a top 5 spot. Strategy differs with each player. Dean or Bill proved that against my brother i dont remember which one, when they let my brother pick there team & they still mopped the map with him. So anyone can win with any squad, giving there strategy. Unless its a hate squad. So i really dont think your in the position to say for a fact the top 5 squads arent worthy. You dont know how they are ran by the user who made them.


joelker41 wrote:
Multiple usernames boosting squads to the top 5 is a bigger, it is a big difference between being a jerk (giving a 1) and simply breaking the rules of the system (creating multiple usernames).


No it isnt. Theres only so many accounts someone is able to make. That one user can drop lets say 5 10's to his squad, & have it rated good, but 1 user can drop A 1 on that same squad & the 5 10's it got, mean nothing now because the rating goes down drasticly.Now with ones, it takes only 1.. 1 to ruin your squad & knock it back into the site where it wont be seen again. Its bogus. honestly im really starting to consider not making squads public nomore. Its a big problem getting all them ones.



joelker41 wrote:
My GCS-What can Kouhun do for you? squad was on the top 5, then I got torpedoed almost immediately with 1s.

I am still ok with that. Why? It as well isn't worthy of the top 5.


Yea but thats your opinion. To others its may not be top 5 worth, but hey to others it may be. Your only one opinion on this site that has what 2000 users or something. You have no right to say what should be top 5 worthy or not. No one person has that right either. This community has the right together. No any one user. So to come on here & trash squads on the top 5 i dont think is fair to do that. Go to the squads you dont think should be on the top 5 & rate it & comment why you gave that rating. Thats your right. Your right isnt to come on here & speak for the whole community. This isnt the right place to complain about this. This is a poll simply to see who thinks we should go with the idea's i made & who thinks we shouldnt. Thats it. Not to trash the users who have top 5 squads. Thats really not fair to do that. You should do that on the squads you dont think are worthy & do it. Not here.

joelker41 wrote:
This thread's wording often approaches vanity, not helpfulness. I love this site, but I don't post squads just to get raatings nor do I build squads to get them. Stop getting emotional about it, that only fuels the1 rating givers.


Again thats your opinion & your entitled to it. See this last part of your post is on topic of this thread. So thank you for posting you feelings & opinions. & also noone is forcing your to rate squads or post squads, if you dont do it for ratings then keep them from being public. & stop getting emotional about it? No i wont stop, because it takes me a good 20 minutes to create a squad (dial-up connection) & i put work into coming up with idea's & taking my time to do it, so getting a uncalled for 1 with no comment, yea im gonna get fueled, Who gave you the right to tell me to stop expressing how i feel. I want feedback & input on my squads that i take time to create, not just get a one & make it disappeaer in the site. Thats not fair to me & to all the other users who had that done. So just because you feel one way, stop talking for everyone else. State you opinion & stop trying to tell others how they should feel or think. Obviously the numbers on this poll proves my point that im not the only one who is upset & emotional about the problem.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:00:10 AM
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shinja wrote:
I think I have some good ideas for changes to help the rating system on my end. I probably won't get them implemented until after Gencon, though.



Thank you Shinja. I hope you understand i really didnt make this poll thread to start any trouble. I just mainly wanted to see if i was the only one feeling this way & if anyone else felt like this. Thats why i put some idea's up there because it seems noone else was. So im really sorry if i caused bickering on this thread. & i hope you underatand that i didnt wanna cause anymore work for you.

I love this site & just wanted to see if this problem could be fixed because from what i see, its the only problem on this site. Its not fair for people to sit there & take there time to create a squad, especially if they have a dial up connection like me, it takes a long time to have someone just go & rate a one without giving a reason of why they did. Thats really unfair to everyone on here. I know personally if any 1 i've got, if the user gave me a reason then i would shut up & listen because he's giving me input on where i went wrong with the squad.

Thats the whole purpose of building a squad & making it public. To get idea's & input, also to see other squads & get idea's & input. You may know a better way to help someone else with a squad. I think it should be manditory you leave a comment with rating. I would really hate to see people stop making squads because of these few people just giving out ones like they are candy. A few people i became friends with, well actually about 11 of them have stopped making squads public for this reason. If your not gonna make your squad public to get input because you fear getting a 1 & then it getting lost in the site or people see the low rating & dont even bother looking, then thats not fair & why have the squad building option on here.

Its there for a reason & to get you helped out with it. & the rating system is there so people know what are the top squads that were created. So the rating system is more important that some might believe. What if a newbie comes on this site & wants a top tier squad to run. If the rating system isnt important than thats like saying screw the other members in the game. People need help with the game & building squads like we all did because we were all new at one time or the other. & to get good squads mutiple one ratings is basically not allowing these new comers to see what a good squad is so they can get an idea. & its bogus. Im really myself considering not even building squads anymore period.

I would rather my squads not be on the top 5 than to just get regular feed back on then & no uncalled for ones. But lets face the fact, Being on the top5 gets your squad more noticed so thats why we all aim for them spots to get some honest & good feedback from the best. So the rating system means alot & so does having to leave a comment.
billiv15
Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:47:32 PM
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Darth Percocet wrote:

Bill just made a squad that is right now on the #1 spot on top 5 200, its a unique squad who noone ever seen that combo before & i gave it a 10, its top 5 worthy to me because its creative which i base most of my rating on & it also is good.


I have a top 5 squad? Lol, guess I better go look at the list....

On the concept that random 1s make your squads disappear, sorry, everyone gets them pretty equally from what I can tell. I think the bigger reality is that with over 50K squads, getting any one noticed enough to get some help randomly is a rare event.

If you want help, you are always better off asking. Expecting a rating system to deliver that, or blaming a lack of help on the rating system, to me seems silly.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:02:13 PM
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billiv15 wrote:
I have a top 5 squad? Lol, guess I better go look at the list....

On the concept that random 1s make your squads disappear, sorry, everyone gets them pretty equally from what I can tell. I think the bigger reality is that with over 50K squads, getting any one noticed enough to get some help randomly is a rare event.

If you want help, you are always better off asking. Expecting a rating system to deliver that, or blaming a lack of help on the rating system, to me seems silly.


Yea you have the top squad lol.. go check it out buddy.. it deserves to be there too in my opinion..

Ok my main issue with this thread for me wasnt really depending on the rating system to give me help or input. Its mainly that, when a squad gets low ratings, they dont get the public's eye as much as a squad that does would. Again in my own opinion. Getting a squad up on the top 5 shouldnt be your only goal your trying to set in this game. But it also shouldnt be taken lightly. It should be a badge of homor that you created a good enough squad to get there. So yea you should be able to enjoy that. & i agree with ya Bill that everyone gets there fair share of the 1's. & i dont think thats fair to anyone period.

I think thats an on point suggestion of if you want help or feedback then ask, but not everyone is delightful enough to do so, & also in my expierence sometime's you get disrespectful feedback that's uncalled for when you ask. I dont blame them people, i can understand if your a top player you dont want the whole community asking you opinion & for your help lol. That could get annoying i guess. My main issue is the not giving a reason behind the rating you give. These people dont wanna be noticed so i think a simple have to leave a comment would solve that. Nobody wants to be known as the 1 bandit, i think it would stop with that.

I said many times personally if i got a 1 rating with a comment i would take it 10x more lightly than getting a 1 with no comment for the simple fact that, i would be getting feedback on the squad. Thats what its there for, the rating system in my opinion gets squads noticed more, but the comment system is where the feedback & help comes from. If your just gonna rate a squad without feedback weither it be a 1 or a 10, your not getting the help. So thats just my main issue.

(Bill & when i spoke of people being disrespectful when asked for help that was not a shot at you at all so dont take it at that. From my expierence with you, your probably the most humble of the players i've seen on here & one of the more down to earth as well. So for that i thank you. I read most of the articles you wrote & you seem to actually wanna help the community with the game & thats very cool of you in my opinion to do that when you really dont have to at all. But yet you do.)
Sithborg
Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:20:11 PM
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I know when I'm in the mood, I will go through the recent squads (best addition ever, imo). Granted, it gets tough to do that, when there are pretty much only one type of squad, which kills my enthusiasm, and I only look at squads from certain factions or certain posters. But that is the nature of the beast.

I have seen just how bad forcing people to having public ratings and forcing them to post. Thankfully, this community doesn't have their own "Dinelle" yet.

EDIT: A fine feature, but now I can add Multifaction squads to 200+ pt squads to squads I don't even look at.
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