Also remember a lot of abilities for vong are given to them, suppression doesnt work.

I think you are missing her ability as what you suggested does not put her back in business at all. It supresses Yammosk War Coordinator entirely on all characters in line of sight. The ability reads "Special abilities that grant bonuses to Yuuzhan Vong within 6 squares or commander effects normally limited to 6 squares of characters in your squad (including this character) have unlimited range. You may not have more than one character with Yuuzhan Vong War Coordinator in your squad"

The CE disruption on two different Special Abilities really hurts too but that's only part of it, much more so it's the disrupting of scarification and to a greater more critical extent shaper. It forces you to run your extremely fragile support characters often with no defensive abilities (and if you run fringe you lose the ability to bring Zenoc, and if you try to give them Stealth/Super Stealth then hey Danni has that covered too with overpowered force abilities as well. Gaining core renewal/defensive abilities on the NR to keep Danni breaking the game will be incredibly easy. While your opponent is trying to kill her by rushing fragile support characters forward and attacking at 10 base damage. She won't be getting turned into toast by any of them.

I can't see how as a Vong player you think this is good for the game. For people that hate Vong sure you just made it the hardest and weakest faction to play based on some insane faction hate for the price of a reinforcements piece.

But I would really like to see the design discussion on this piece? And why it was decided to have so many anti-Vong pieces on such a cheap character. It gives the ability for any NR squad to utterly destroy almost all Vong archetypes. It's the classic Unkar thing again where multiple a hard counter is put out to something I know some designers don't like and then they don't stop at one counter they go ahead and put four on her, three of them very specifically targeting the Vong. It overly complicates the game, destroys a faction and you don't even have to bring it in your base squad. And my other questions were open questions if you want to answer them too: "Would anyone seriously run any Vong in a tournament knowing this piece exists? Is there as hard of a counter to any other one faction out there?".

Unless she has lightsaber defense, + to saves, renewal, jedi bodyguards or any plethora of the other ways to keep characters from dying though no? And shaper is a pretty big deal to lose, literally halving your damage. Plus even quite hampered that's one squad out of all of them. So Warriors, Nom Bombs, Super Stealth fire breathers, Voxyn, Chazrach, peace brigade and every other non-unique Vong squad is now pushed out and going to pretty much auto-lose against this one.

Limiting a faction to one play type is not really an argument.
Designers should be trying to open squad design. Not close it.
Right now non unique vong have been obliterated. That is kind of a fact. It is an auto loss if that piece plays against non unique vong.


In the state of things right now Old Republic has 2 squad typres (hex droids and triple ven).
Vong now have 8th cortex and that's it.
Mandos have..... Idk what they have.
And Sith have...... Idk what they have either right now.

Rebels are decently open
Imperial have different types
NR seems to have 2 or 3 possibilities
Republic has..... Nothing really.

I guess i don't like the idea of closing squad design. But i am stuck because vong should be closed and locked away for forever.

So shouldn't the unique Vong be toned down then? I listed a lot of squads that were all decently competitive and have won or at least placed well in tournaments up here over the years. Can you honestly say that Danni is a balanced reasonable piece that doesn't obliterate the Vong faction almost entirely? Yes she is only NR so better than Unkar in that sense but her low cost and reinforcements means you don't even have to bring her in your core squad. She is different and worse than Unkar in that she targets core mechanics of an entire faction.

Has there been a stronger counter to a single faction before? Will there be again? Should one cheap piece be able to break a faction?

I agree Jen that designing should be about expanding options not narrowing them. Even having just one of her two disruptive special abilities or Vongsense/force sense 1 would have been strong, similar and much more reasonable counters. Stapling this many hard counters really feels like someone just let some anti-Vong bias sneak into a set. And I get that not everybody likes them as much as we do. But design is supposed to be balanced, fair and reasonable. Danni is none of these things. She instead goes after not just the Yammosk (which has been responsible for bringing the rest of the non-Nom Anor Vong into anything remotely competive), but all of the non-unique commanders and the very first Vong Nom Anor's classic WOTC Nom-Bombs and the entire super stealth archetype that has been supported, fleshed out and developed over the years.

Which Tier 1 Garm Bel reinforcements squad are you concerned about with her being the reserve?

Yay anthe another old republic force user that doesn't help and further limits squad building!
I am just so excited to not be able to play Revan or Bastila!

The covenant really just hated meditation huh? I am sure it was in their bylaws.

Since when did having 4 playable squad types constitute a bad thing?

Top OR squad type in my opinion right now is Army of Light.

........ What's the squad build?