I suggest better thinking, not more thinking.
Here are some good quotes from a political Science class I took in college that deal with determining truth.

Reality can be defined as the truth, the real nature of something

Face reality as it is ... not as you wish it to be

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. - Winston Churchill

We should have our designers memorize these.

By the way, seeing the total solar eclipse in person was beyond amazing.
Anybody else here get to experience totality?

Southern Illinois had the longest duration. Lucky me.

Ok, I have always prided myself on being a neutral party and a bridge builder so I guess its time to bring out my hammer and nails and start building a bridge. The whole title of this thread is creating a positive environment and I agree that there needs to be a positive environment created here. I wholeheartedly support ATM's thought process behind it, but don't agree with how it came across. The mistake that was made here was singling someone out when starting this thread which quite frankly when considering the person in question is essentially starting a war, sort of like the Vietnam conflict with no real resolution.

Quite frankly, there has been a lot of negativity on the boards my entire freaking minis career. If it wasn't one group of people it was another, and it's led to a destructive cycle of bitter rhetoric that does nothing to really further the game. I do sincerely agree that it needs to be curbed. I'm not pointing out any specific individual or group, because quite frankly at one point or another 90% of us have been that person. I truly believe that this board should be more like a safe space because quite frankly, you don't know what a persons life is like. (Note I am speaking in hypotheticals here) What if ATM's brother is surrounded by a negative environment whether it be at home or school, or work etc and then Bloomilk which could offer a space to escape from it all become a negative environment too. Negativity breeds negativity and it could end up eclipsing the positive things in life. IT could be that way for anyone. Quite frankly, we already have to deal with the nonsense that is the Liberals vs the Conservatives and the hateful rhetoric that spews from both sides. No one is willing to build a bridge.

As a member of the Hall of Fame and thus by default an ambassador of the game that we love, I would be remiss in not pointing out that both sides have had enough bitter arguments and it needs to stop. Heck sit down and take a few minutes before you respond to someone instead of shooting from the hip. Essentially if you go off half-cocked on someone/something then your bound to provoke the exact same response and we're right back to where we were at the beginning of this thread. I think we can disagree on stuff without it having to devolve into a flame war or an argument.

My thoughts here is that ATM is wanting to create a safe place for others to come to, and not have to deal with the negativity, while Jen'ari wants to be able to freely express his opinion on stuff without being called out by name. So lets make this a safe place, and lets voice our opinions on things we don't like in a civil manner. Now you two shake hands, hug, hold hands and sing Kumbayah. That way I can say I HAVE BROUGHT PEACE TO MY NEW EMPIRE! Ermm, yeah maybe not my empire but you get the point.

never mind.

I am guessing you are saying that since I know nothing about his past life that I can't know if it is an inaccurate design?

the value judgement being that i don't know about Lor San Tekka enough to make that judgement?

ok. I think you should re-read what I wrote.

I am saying that I am willing to not look into this character because I know it is inaccurate, but I have no proof that it is inaccurate.

That position makes it so that it is not a moral judgement. I am stopping myself from being able to pass judgement. I am saying "based on what I know, it makes no sense" but I am going to hold off proving that so I can remain in a state of "I know its wrong, but can't prove it so I am stuck" if I did prove it I would than hate the piece.

It is a LACK of judgment.

now recant

that too complicated an answer just say this... what about lor san tekka ever made it to where people couldn't cancel force powers or would make vong affected by them.... nothing... ok now recant.

UUHHHHHH urbanjedi joined the thread!!!! woot he gets a starwars persona as well.


Urban you can be... mace windu I think that fits.

Did you know that Edy's and Dreyer's are the same company? But there's also Breyer's ice cream? Confusing, right? They use the Dreyer's name out west but Edy's in the east. Not sure why. Breyer's is almost as expensive as the other premium brands but I don't like it nearly as much.

Flying Arrow keeps talking about ice cream. I can just see him now at the Turkey Hill moving each tub of ice cream 3 spaces on the shelves while the stock boy is glaring at him in the background.

Sometime I take Barriss Offee to the freezer just to see what happens when I move ice cream around her. It's never very exciting, though.

Bill is unkar plutt...can someone inform him for me