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First and foremost, I believe those with concerns over "Meta Breaking" pseudo-pieces should accept that there will be something that WotC probably put on the back burner for some time: Testing!
It may be the one way that weaker factions actually see some form of balance.
Outside of that, as long as you use a community approved card (which will be tested) it won't matter what mini you use as long as it's recognizable as the mini. If someone with a limited collection wanted to play "Leia Solo, Diplomat" and only had access to Human Engineer from TDT, they could use Human Engineer. It actually allows a limited amount of minis to go further than what they are now. So someone wants to make a KA Vader and then offloads several Vaders onto eBay (a ludicrous proposition), a person using Garindan can still use the card as Vader.
How can something so virtual be taken so literal?
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you know what I just dont have the time or the energy for this. Take Care really I mean it.
There is just absolutly no reason for me to be here when I have so much to do.
People that want to help will know where to go.
I just dont have the energy or the time to argue with you.
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So you are Doing what you want to do, regardless of how HALF of the community feels. Who is arguing with you? I see people trying to support you, and you are acting as if you are being attacked. Sean!? 
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Okay, I have cleaned this thread up. This is a saddening and stressful time for a lot of us, I know. However, this fighting will stop. If you feel someone is using a multiple account, let a mod know.
And you MUST be patient. The leaders of this community are working on the future of the game, and there is a LOT of stuff to take into consideration. Yes, Regionals and Gencon have priority, because they are the immediate concerns, since WOTC has not renewed Jim Frasiers duties.
Consider this your official warning: Next post that focuses on the poster, and not the subject will result in a 24 hour suspension.
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:Vsets...
I have a bad feeling about this...
As far as another company picking it up after vsets have been made, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
This is why no other company would pick up SWCCG.
If Vsets come out I will fully boycott them.
Vsets have ruined multiple games I have played over the years...
It saddens me to think of this happening to SW Minis too...
A dead game is one thing, please don't bury it with Vsets! This is so, so very wrong that I am half tempted to delete it. Wizards of the Coast was offered the chance to buy the SWCCG mechanics. They declined, and so Players Commitee was formed. No one was interested in the mechanics, since they would not have been able to make the game due to WOTC having the actual SW license. And Decipher ended up using the mechanics themselves for their Wars TCG, thus essentially making it 2 game's mechanics that needed to be bought, not just one.
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I fully support the Topic and the person that posted this Topic. Once again Wookie, thank you for bringing ALL of this up. 
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Sithborg wrote:dahatchetjeedi wrote:Vsets...
I have a bad feeling about this...
As far as another company picking it up after vsets have been made, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
This is why no other company would pick up SWCCG.
If Vsets come out I will fully boycott them.
Vsets have ruined multiple games I have played over the years...
It saddens me to think of this happening to SW Minis too...
A dead game is one thing, please don't bury it with Vsets! This is so, so very wrong that I am half tempted to delete it. Wizards of the Coast was offered the chance to buy the SWCCG mechanics. They declined, and so Players Commitee was formed. No one was interested in the mechanics, since they would not have been able to make the game due to WOTC having the actual SW license. And Decipher ended up using the mechanics themselves for their Wars TCG, thus essentially making it 2 game's mechanics that needed to be bought, not just one. And therefore.....SWCCG.....died?
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lol
Right, I just think everyone here is jumping the gun a bit...
You guys think you know everything that happened, then I will drop it...
All I'm trying to say is dont ruin the game by making Vsets when there is a HUGE possibility that another company will pick the game up.
Please dont ruin that chance for all of us.
Believe what you want...
@Blizz: it didnt exactly die, but the only way to play now is online with the Vsets [wich ruined the game] or in real life [good luck finding any players].
Either way the person[s] involved in making such Vsets would have to be in contract with LL[among others], and good luck with that!
lmao
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Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:And therefore.....SWCCG.....died? Depends on your defination. Does still being able to pull in a 64 player tournament (with more wanting to, but not allowed due to the type of tournament), in Jan 09, on the East Coast, with no convention, considered to be a sign of the dead game? Not in my book. And they are well on their way to release their 20th Virtual Set. And there is only one barrier for a company to pick up the SWM mechanics: WOTC. From what I've seen, they won't be too willing to give up their intellectual property.
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The problem with that is that it is not their intellectual property...
It is Lucas's...
Ya gotta love his lawyers...
lol
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:The problem with that is that it is not their intellectual property...
It is Lucas's...
Ya gotta love his lawyers...
lol The Star Wars character's names and likeness's, yes. The rules, and the mechanics are not Lucas's. Hell, WOTC has "Tap" copyrighted. Considering that the rules can be argued to be an extension of the D20 mechanic, I can easily see WOTC being very, very protective.
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please...
The D20 mech relies on much more than 20 sided dice.
Come on, even the DnD tabletop has different mechanics than SW Minis for this reason!
As far as Lucas is concerned he owns the rights to EVERYTHING with his name on it.
And if it came down to legal battle he would win in any case.
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:please...
The D20 mech relies on much more than 20 sided dice.
Come on, even the DnD tabletop has different mechanics than SW Minis for this reason!
As far as Lucas is concerned he owns the rights to EVERYTHING with his name on it.
And if it came down to legal battle he would win in any case. If that was the case, WOTC would have quite the case against Decipher when Wars came out, since they would be the current license holder, and WARS was 95% SWCCG, just without Star Wars. Considering they went after Wizkids over the Pirates game, you bet they would've gone after Decipher. Intellectual Property is a very confusing field.
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95%?!?
Not really...
It was quite a mix of all of their CG mechanics.
They have had quite a few over the fears...
I would say more like 35%
Lets not forget how much of the Star Trek TCG they incorporated...
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Sithborg wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:And therefore.....SWCCG.....died? Depends on your defination. Does still being able to pull in a 64 player tournament (with more wanting to, but not allowed due to the type of tournament), in Jan 09, on the East Coast, with no convention, considered to be a sign of the dead game? Not in my book. And they are well on their way to release their 20th Virtual Set. 20th virtual set!? I'm sorry, but thats nothing to be proud of. Sure, its nice to have a bunch of people playing a game that DIED a long time ago. but this is just now happening and can avoid "20 Virtual Sets". its called learning from ones mistake, being the Wise man. I don't want 20 Virtual sets of SWMs, i want atleast 2-5 before the contract is picked back up by another company.
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Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:Sithborg wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:And therefore.....SWCCG.....died? Depends on your defination. Does still being able to pull in a 64 player tournament (with more wanting to, but not allowed due to the type of tournament), in Jan 09, on the East Coast, with no convention, considered to be a sign of the dead game? Not in my book. And they are well on their way to release their 20th Virtual Set. 20th virtual set!? I'm sorry, but thats nothing to be proud of. Sure, its nice to have a bunch of people playing a game that DIED a long time ago. but this is just now happening and can avoid "20 Virtual Sets". its called learning from ones mistake, being the Wise man. I don't want 20 Virtual sets of SWMs, i want atleast 2-5 before the contract is picked back up by another company. My point exactly... After one single Vset is released no other company will jump on it, no matter how strong the following! Can we not just wait it out and see if another company jumps on it before it becomes BUTCHERED bu the community?!? And coming from someone whol played SWCCG from day one until the end, the Vsets for it are TRASH!
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:Sithborg wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:And therefore.....SWCCG.....died? Depends on your defination. Does still being able to pull in a 64 player tournament (with more wanting to, but not allowed due to the type of tournament), in Jan 09, on the East Coast, with no convention, considered to be a sign of the dead game? Not in my book. And they are well on their way to release their 20th Virtual Set. 20th virtual set!? I'm sorry, but thats nothing to be proud of. Sure, its nice to have a bunch of people playing a game that DIED a long time ago. but this is just now happening and can avoid "20 Virtual Sets". its called learning from ones mistake, being the Wise man. I don't want 20 Virtual sets of SWMs, i want atleast 2-5 before the contract is picked back up by another company. My point exactly... After one single Vset is released no other company will jump on it, no matter how strong the following! Can we not just wait it out and see if another company jumps on it before it becomes BUTCHERED bu the community?!? And coming from someone whol played SWCCG from day one until the end, the Vsets for it are TRASH! right now no-one is worried about making a v-set they are trying to get regionals and Gencon taken care of, and I'm sorry you don't know for fact that another company won't touch it after a Vset.
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:Sithborg wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:And therefore.....SWCCG.....died? Depends on your defination. Does still being able to pull in a 64 player tournament (with more wanting to, but not allowed due to the type of tournament), in Jan 09, on the East Coast, with no convention, considered to be a sign of the dead game? Not in my book. And they are well on their way to release their 20th Virtual Set. 20th virtual set!? I'm sorry, but thats nothing to be proud of. Sure, its nice to have a bunch of people playing a game that DIED a long time ago. but this is just now happening and can avoid "20 Virtual Sets". its called learning from ones mistake, being the Wise man. I don't want 20 Virtual sets of SWMs, i want atleast 2-5 before the contract is picked back up by another company. My point exactly... After one single Vset is released no other company will jump on it, no matter how strong the following! How do you know that no other company would pick it up? What proof do you have?
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If the past repeats itself, and it usually does, then yes that will be the case.
And if nobody is worried about making Vsets then why was it even brought up?
And why did dean already say that he is ready to drop a Vset?
lol
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:If the past repeats itself, and it usually does, then yes that will be the case.
And if nobody is worried about making Vsets then why was it even brought up?
And why did dean already say that he is ready to drop a Vset?
lol doesn't mean its gunna happen before Gencon. so its still a while off, still plenty f time for someone else to pick up the game or to perfect a Vset...but once again I'll ask show me the proof that no one else will pick up the game if a Vset is released, the great thing about the future is it is always changing and people can look to the past to fix mistakes.
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