Once again, people aren't saying these pieces are bad. Satele can absolutely do well at Regionals and GenCon, in fact I expect her to and will be surprised if there aren't at least a couple of Regional winning squads with her or if she doesn't hit at least the top 16 or so at GenCon. She's a really good piece. I don't think the BHC pieces are quite as good, but another whole V-set is going to be released between now and then, who knows what the meta is going to be like? Plenty of stuff beats them, but maybe that stuff won't be being played then. They're certainly good enough that in the right meta they could win big tournaments, even the championship with a bit of luck (and everyone needs a bit of luck to win the championship).

Doing well at a major tournament by no means makes a piece a problem in either the meta or in future design. The claim by Trevor and Richard is that Satele Shan and the BHC pieces have a seriously negative impact on the game, by either restricting the meta or forcing design to work around them to too extreme of a degree. This won't be proven or disproven by them winning or losing a major tournament.

I look forward to being wrong Daniel!

Jak, can you name me a game that is successful that doesn't ban pieces?

scrabble
heroscape
munchkin
battle ship
last night on earth
dutch blitz
bohnanza
blokus
loopin' louie
taboo
monopoly
chess

can name more if needed.

+1 to all 3 of jak's posts above.

Whoa whoa whoa....ban Satele Shan?!?!?!?!?!?! Really??!?!?!??!?!!?

For a set that is only a couple of months old, people seem to think they have the meta figured out. Believe me it isn't. There is no good reason to ban any piece right now. If we see that every squad in gencon has Satele Shan, then we might have something to think about (like we did with GOWK back in the day). But until then, just accept the fact that Satele is a good peice. Gamebreaking? No way! Just good. When I made OR squads prior to Scum and Villany, I had a hard time feeling good about what I had. There just weren't enough mid point range OR jedi's that could do well in a tourney. Now we have one, and that makes me happy. The Sith have enough of them already and unfortunately one of them is Kaan ("KAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!!"-James T. Kirk)

Lets just focus on giving the Vong and Mando's and Rebels some peices like Satele and Mace and Kaan's power level to balance things out. Or better yet, give these factions counters to these peices that work well also against the rest of the top tier squads. These three factions (IMO) are the most neglected in the V-sets and still need the most help (although Mando's are finally going to see more play competitively thank goodness). This last sets General Solo is a nice peice also, but we need something in these factions that don't auto-loose versus Kaan. Yeah, Kaan/Momaw Nadon has pretty much killed swarm squads. These factions rely on a lot of lower HP peices to fill the basis of their squads (especially Mando's) and that is a problem. Mace/Kaan love going against lower HP pieces. As long as Mace is around, I don't see Spotter droids becoming world breaking over the top broken peices. This game has now a strong focus on melee squads so that kinda makes Energy Shield less troublesome as people may think.

It doesn't have to be a competition. We can all just search for the best answers together.

This would be true of my brother. He argued so much we stoped playing games with him.

Heroclix rotates pieces out of being legal when new sets are released not really ban them, then just have different "AGES" that you can play and then it is up to tournament organizers to decide which age/ages they want to run, at least that is how i understand it.

To the bolded part, well this is embarassing but, Daniel.... you are most likely right. I just went back through the ENTIRE Vset 5 setlist and in all honesty I think that Sidious and Luke most likely won't be a huge problem. I may have spoken to soon about these pieces and the only thing I will say in my defense is I thought they were coming out during set 4 in which case I do think they are to powerful. With that said I will still honor the challenge I posted that David accepted and heck he may even prove me wrong about them being to good in set 4.


Now to the last thing you said... I will stick by what I said about Satele changing how things will be designed, she is simply to good at everything to not be a factor now in the design of future pieces. She is to good defensively, offensively, has one of the best sets of special abilities in the game along with some force powers that also compliment her special abilities extremely well. All that leads to a piece in par with R2D2 astromech, Palleon, Dodonna, etc that when building a squad you immediately think of those pieces first.

ok... not sure what you are saying other then exactly what I said... that she will have an impact on future design... so.. we agree.... just use different words to do so...
My problem with Satele is that she was not needed NOW... Old Republic is already one of the best factions in the game, as evidenced by their past 2 gencon showings. To add this type of piece to them right now is a mistake, when there are still factions like rebels, vong, mandos that are still playing catch up a piece like this just widens the gap between the factions even more, now to make those factions catch up they will have to have a piece costed like this one that can compete with her because she will definitely be a popular piece.
She is just costed to low for what all she does and that will cause other pieces to have to be costed low to fit/catch up with her abilities and that is why she is bad for the game.