they could be competitive now, with Malak,

like Malak, Atton czerka, I mean if Atton can see someone who hasnt activated than they go down

but OR isnt as playable as any other faction mainly because there are very few characters that are good.

Yes it is. But if you consider that most squads are probably either GOWK or anti-GOWK, and a lot of the anti-GOWK squads are going to be based around Force abilities that do direct damage, being able to take away the Force is a pretty big blow, and without GOWK being able to use the Force, he's much weaker in his defense.

That said, an OR squad like this is still going to be fairly weak, because the faction as a whole is fairly weak. Now it's a little better, but it's still at a disadvantage compared to most of the other factions.

For example: Revan (88), Crusader (23), Nomi (41), Battlemaster (27), Juggernaut (16), and an Ugnaught (3) is 198.

If we consider that Revan is helping Nomi get to GOWK, then the Crusader, Battlemaster, and Juggernaut would be going after his Support. Once his Force is Severed, it will take an average of 12 hits (assuming he's full health) to kill him. The big disadvantage this squad has is against Range, so Dash and Rex would be able to do a lot of damage.

Sometimes they are, but shooting squads as a whole have gotten weaker due to the amount of evade now in the game, and I can't think of any OR squads that are going to last against a shooter squad anyway. I would say they were stronger against GOWK or Direct Damage (Force) squad than a pure shooter squad. The Exile can Force Defense while Nomi can Sever.

And GOWK hasn't gone bye-bye yet, and he still may not.

I wouldn't call it fruitless or pointless to discuss what would happen in the 100 or 200 point format. Both are still DCI and still have people playing in regulation tournaments. The overarching debate for what seems like the past few months has been a DCI ban on GOWK, which would affect both the 100 and 200 point formats as well. If it were about a Gencon or solely 150 point format ban, then that would be a different situation.

That's more of a positioning issue than anything else. Can she get Pushed to death? Yeah. But, the way for the OR to deal with Rebel Push is similar to how they deal with her getting killed by GOWK. The other figures block LOS to her, and with the 6 square movement from Revan along with Master Tactician, she may be able to Sever either Luke or the Apprentice, or both if she's really lucky.

Again it isn't easy, but it's really about the map and positioning. The Rebel player tries to stay back, moving away if Nomi gets BTB and gain LOS, while the OR player tries to stay out of Line of Sight and get close. One of the biggest reasons the Rebel player would have the advantage in the situation is because the Rebels have a larger pool of characters to choose from in terms of activation control. Dodonna makes it easy for the Rebels to out activate and keep back.

My point right now is that the Old Republic will have difficulty against certain factions regardless of anything else, but can have less of a disadvantage against Anti-GOWK and GOWK, because they can actually do something about a lot of the Force Abilities that are used by and against GOWK squads.

I haven't tried it at all. I only came up with the squad about 20 minutes ago or so as a consideration. This has been more about speculation in regards to what I and everyone else knows about the game and how the mechanics work.

The discussion has been about the viability of removing GOWK's ability to use the Force. Which you stated wouldn't be that significant. It just worked it's way into becoming about whether Nomi or the OR could or could not work, and how viable it would be.

I never once said that it would be a definitive win, nor an easy win for the OR by Severing the Force. Hell, I've said almost every time that the OR is still going to be at a disadvantage, and probably will lose, and probably will lose Nomi because of the Sever.

Yeah, 50% chance to stop any attack is better than anything any of my characters can do, but it's a long way from 98.5% of any single attack and 50% of all other attacks.

Does Nomi still die? Most likely. Does the OR still lose? Probably. Is it going to be a closer game because of the Sever? I'd say so.

I'm not trying to show how the OR could win, I'm trying to show how they could put up a fight. And in doing so I'm trying to see if they would do better against GOWK and Anti-GOWK or the meta without GOWK.

While the course of the discussion may not interest you any further I'm trying to gain some insight into what others are saying, and seeing how things stack up. If your not interested, then fine, but please don't try to derail it for others.

Trying to mock others in their discussion adds nothing to it, and you haven't added anything since you declared that removing GOWK's Force Points isn't "all that significant anyways". I disagree.

I probably will end up testing it and letting everyone know how it goes.

Wha? Six activations with no real shooter support? A mediocre beat that should be a free 88 points? Yeah, that's going to go over real well. I would rarely endorse a 6 act 200 squad. Especially a squad composed of those six. That is a bad loss waiting to happen.

Lol

Of course discussing minute possibilities for an OR squad is off topic for this thread. But I suppose you missed that. Or better, perhaps you could actually add something of value to the conversation instead of simply trying to put my minor exaggeration in it's place. Either way, it did make me laugh, as I very much enjoy insulting comments from the peanut gallery!

When he's playtested it, and the other person hasn't I think he might know a little more.

Oh yes, but it's certainly ok for you to do the exact same to me.

Oh and while we are on the topic of hypocrisy, you referenced Owaller. He was making claims about a squad that I believe(d) to be over the top, so I responded. We resolved that in PMs the details of which are not your business, but it certainly is hilarious that you bring that up, when your first post on this topic in any thread on any board is to point out that I exaggerated my statements, however slightly that may be.

As far as being "an option" it isn't an option if it won't work. The OR does have other options that are much better than Nomi, even if they still aren't great against GOWK. But discussing OR options would be better for another thread. The topic in this one is GOWK, and in that case, Nomi is not even a realistic option. Sure, you can choose to play her, but you can't expect to win against a decent opponent with it.

If you think me saying so is "overlording" or "stifling" that's your own problem. I am arguing on the merits of the squad and it isn't a personal attack. I've even explained several times why it won't work, and continuing to discuss it is off topic - if he wants to he should make his own thread.

With that said, I will leave the rabbit trail behind and let this get back on topic.