That is what I was implying. Now the Vong can benefit on stolen force renewal outside of just novelty. I didn't say it was optimum.

First issue, Echo had Advanced Door Gimmick incorrect. It's meant to trump override. The FAQ should reflect this.



You are generally correct, that an "Imperial Nightsister" would probably not have "Vongsense". Let me try to explain the logic of it. First off, let me give you the rationale I wrote up in the design thread months ago for it :)

"Alright, so I made more or less a conglomerate character based on the skills of a couple different Nightsister Clan Mothers. The key things for them, is that the mothers were usually very old, and very dangerous. The Dathomir Witches in general practice war all of their lives, and were not weak in old age. Mothers could be 300 years old and were especially dangerous with lightning. In addition, they had very powerful skills in pre-cognition, with almost every off-world Witch capable of seeing into the future, and sensing the force, particularly the dark side. Finally, the Witches were able to attack the Vong with the force, particularly the mother at the time."

Here's a direct quote from one nightsister wiki page (there were others I read in my research of the character) - for Lomi Plo.

"By this time she was able to create an energy web that could dice her opponents into pieces, including Yuuzhan Vong, which have shown resistance to most uses of the Force. Additionally, she was an expert at the mind trick, using it on Anakin Solo successfully."

My general thoughts on it were this. Nightsisters should not be totally foiled by Vong, particularly the old awesome mothers. They didn't ever learn "Vongsense" particularly, but it's the ability already created that gets around force immunity. What they did was use the force in ways that the jedi and sith generally did not, which via consequence (luck perhaps) allowed them to kill Vong with the Force. So in simple terms, Vongsense fit as an abstraction, and as a way to allow them some use against Vong opponents.

Now, as to the Imperial issue, there's where you have a case. I chose Imperial faction to limit their use to dark side. WotC put the original Nightsister in the Imperial faction, so I stuck with that. I debated affinity Sep (as this is where the mothers have been prevalent, particularly Talzin) but in the end preferred the stronger version in the Imperial's alone. i get that it's not a perfect match, but it's better than seeing them in any of the Lighside factions. Fringe just does not fit here. Just as if we ever do Dathomir Witches, allowing them in Dark Side factions would be a mistake.

So take issue if you want, but I think you can at least see why these choices were made, both from a balance aspect, and from a flavor aspect. This figure is tons of fun and really fits both balance, and flavor (when you read Vongsense as a general attribute rather than the very specific real case that it is in the story). "It's a Trap" treatment I guess :)

billiv,

Thanks for that reply. I don't know much about the canon regarding Nightsisters, but I'm glad to see it's well researched and thought out. Your explanation made total sense to me.

Also, I'm relieved to hear that Advanced Door Gimmick trumps Override. That's the way it reads, so I'm glad the rule works the way it says it works. Advanced Door Gimmick trumps Override, which trumps Door Gimmick. But Override is the only one of the three that can close a door. (And of course, there are also now 4 different ways to destroy a door.)

I think the main reason for that is that the mini represents an average Nightsister Mother, not Lomi Plo herself. If we get a Lomi Plo figure in the future, I'm sure we'd see a version of that ability.

Probably something like:

Force Snare (Force 2, Replaces Attacks, Range 6. Target character takes 30 damage and cannot move until the end of the round.)

On Sith Holonetwork News last week, we know the following about v-set 4:

i) It's called Scum and Villainy, and the v-set is called Jedi and Sith.
ii) There's a Fringe piece called the Rakghoul Warrior.
iii) The focus is on Fringe pieces, similar to the WoTC Bounty Hunters set, and there are only three Separatist pieces and three Imperial pieces.

Someone with admin should maybe start a new thread?

I still would have liked to see an affinity with the Sith for the Nightsisters, as they are also known in some circles as Sith Witches. Being Fringe would have allowed them to be in either faction, which realistically they are their own faction or were until just after the events that happened at Yavin IV. But oh well, can't have your cake and eat it too I guess. I was just glad to see my girls get a boost this round.

It's being worked on, I can't give a realistic ETA at this point. I will post when I know more.

Each Gloom Walker can reroll one save once per turn. The sentence would be reversed for your interpretation.