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Oops, those are pretty big commander effects. Giving Revan an extra +10 damage on deep assaults would be very useful - he could take out those 70-80HP shooters like Dash and Rex.
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I doubt we'll see booming voice for the sith, but who knows? Revan would also be able to swap with anyone at the end of his turn.
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I sure hope not! Mas is bad enough, but the idea of putting BV on a character that would have some longevity is just a bad design. I would be greatly disappointed if he did have BV.
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Since Mas is often shadowed by Panaka, you have a BV piece with longevity and board-wide swap for 31 points. I can see Sith gaining a BV piece in DWIII for similar stats that loses swap and an activation. A Melee focus with Krayt synergy and he fills a nice role without becoming an auto-include. I'm failing to see why this would be detrimental to the game.
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1st) Chagrin mercenary Commander doesn't have BV so it's not a necessary species trait.
2nd) Mas has a low Defense so while Panaka may be able to bodyguard for a while, it really doesn't take long to chew through the HP.
An accurately portraited Wyyrlok should have decent defenses of his own (I could see him having Illusion and possibly Force Absorb) that overall would far outshadow Panaka+Mas afterall he was second to Krayt and shouldn't be a pushover.
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even if he deos have it i immagine he will not be exceptionally cheap.
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Lord_Ball wrote:1st) Chagrin mercenary Commander doesn't have BV so it's not a necessary species trait.
DWIII served as Krayt's voice so BV fits. It's merely a happy coincidence that he is of the same species as Mas. I certainly don't see this as a species-defining trait.
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saber1 wrote:Lord_Ball wrote:1st) Chagrin mercenary Commander doesn't have BV so it's not a necessary species trait.
DWIII served as Krayt's voice so BV fits. It's merely a happy coincidence that he is of the same species as Mas. I certainly don't see this as a species-defining trait. I was just about to post the same thing. I think IF he were to have it, it would be fitting. He was also an accomplished Sith Lord so he isn't going to be an 8 point piece. I really don't think giving the Sith Booming Voice on a medium-high point piece will prove to be too much of an issue. Excited to see what he does though!
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I shall stand by my disappointment if he does have it. While Mas is cheap and easily dealt with it's not as strong as it would be on a hit point high power piece and has potential to create a rather "stale" Sith environment (see Bastila for the OR - not cheap but still a staple for the faction).
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BV at 8 points is ludicrous. I can see DWIII being 32ish points, 100ish HP with BV, Lightning 2, some synergy/camaraderie/rapport with Krayt and possibly Bodyguard. Basically providing a similar function, albeit in the form of different tech, as Darth Bandon. He might even heal or dole out Avoid Defeat. Would be a cool piece that would open up the faction's options but not be an auto-include.
Bastila isn't the best comparison as she benefits all OR pieces and counters virtually all opposition. There isn't much reason NOT to play her. A Wyyrlok as described above, as I see it, isn't as universal.
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saber1 wrote:
Bastila isn't the best comparison as she benefits all OR pieces and counters virtually all opposition. There isn't much reason NOT to play her.
Very true. It's a good thing to remember for future design.
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AdmiralMotti89 wrote:saber1 wrote:
Bastila isn't the best comparison as she benefits all OR pieces and counters virtually all opposition. There isn't much reason NOT to play her.
Very true. It's a good thing to remember for future design. Is there a reason not to play a Yammosk in Vong? OR was so horribly far for being competitive, they needed something huge to base the faction around. That was Bastila. It's hard to remember that looking back now, but for those who were around then - OR was the biggest joke in the game. Before the V-sets we would make bets on anyone willing to run their crap ass faction on if they would even win a game. Virtually nobody took the bet because they knew OR sucked that bad. Now they can at least compete. They still are not the number 1 faction. I still don't get all the complaining about Bastila. Complain about the figures that are broken in faction that DIDN'T need a major boost. I'm looking at you Mace!
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TimmerB123 wrote:
I still don't get all the complaining about Bastila.
Complain about the figures that are broken in faction that DIDN'T need a major boost. I'm looking at you Mace!
No complaint intended.
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TimmerB123 wrote:I still don't get all the complaining about Bastilla. Not to change the topic at hand, but a 33 pt auto-include that very much nuked CEs enough that helped lead to a counter ability (Disciplined Leader), and you don't see a problem? Bastilla wasn't so much aggressively costed, she stormed the beaches at Normandy and, then, sank the Bismark. If she was high thirties-mid forties or ABM was a range 6 ability (Force-based Disruptive), I'd, personally, have no problems with her. She, by all accounts, was the product of sprinting before walking on the first V-Set. A "Negative Play Experience" in stilettos. Just my opinion, of course.
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TimmerB123 wrote:AdmiralMotti89 wrote:saber1 wrote:
Bastila isn't the best comparison as she benefits all OR pieces and counters virtually all opposition. There isn't much reason NOT to play her.
Very true. It's a good thing to remember for future design. Is there a reason not to play a Yammosk in Vong? OR was so horribly far for being competitive, they needed something huge to base the faction around. That was Bastila. It's hard to remember that looking back now, but for those who were around then - OR was the biggest joke in the game. Before the V-sets we would make bets on anyone willing to run their crap ass faction on if they would even win a game. Virtually nobody took the bet because they knew OR sucked that bad. Now they can at least compete. They still are not the number 1 faction. I still don't get all the complaining about Bastila. Complain about the figures that are broken in faction that DIDN'T need a major boost. I'm looking at you Mace! All I meant was that exceptional caution should be taken around pieces that even slightly seem like they could end up being auto-includes. That's one thing that so far has been done better than Wizards (opening up possibilities in general), but that doesn't mean it will automatically continue.
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markedman247 wrote:TimmerB123 wrote:I still don't get all the complaining about Bastilla. Not to change the topic at hand, but a 33 pt auto-include that very much nuked CEs enough that helped lead to a counter ability (Disciplined Leader), and you don't see a problem? Bastilla wasn't so much aggressively costed, she stormed the beaches at Normandy and, then, sank the Bismark. If she was high thirties-mid forties or ABM was a range 6 ability (Force-based Disruptive), I'd, personally, have no problems with her. She, by all accounts, was the product of sprinting before walking on the first V-Set. A "Negative Play Experience" in stilettos. Just my opinion, of course. Hahahaha nice description. Well other then her and a couple others (Naboo pilots... Haha) the vsets have been way better then WOTC ever did. It would be easier to list pieces they didn't powercreep haha.
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So when do we actually get to see the stats for Darth Amedda, err...Darth Wyyrlok?
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markedman247 wrote:TimmerB123 wrote:I still don't get all the complaining about Bastilla. Not to change the topic at hand, but a 33 pt auto-include that very much nuked CEs enough that helped lead to a counter ability (Disciplined Leader), and you don't see a problem? Bastilla wasn't so much aggressively costed, she stormed the beaches at Normandy and, then, sank the Bismark. If she was high thirties-mid forties or ABM was a range 6 ability (Force-based Disruptive), I'd, personally, have no problems with her. She, by all accounts, was the product of sprinting before walking on the first V-Set. A "Negative Play Experience" in stilettos. Just my opinion, of course. I still don't buy it. OR HAS to have Bastila, or they suck. Is it an auto-include? Yes. But look at OR without her. THEY WOULD SUCK. They couldn't even compete. Even with broken pieces like Jaq and Satele. My challenge - make a competitive squad without her . . . And I will gladly thrash that squad. With any faction.
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When can we start donating for this set?
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TimmerB123 wrote:
I still don't buy it. OR HAS to have Bastila, or they suck. Is it an auto-include? Yes. But look at OR without her.
THEY WOULD SUCK.
They couldn't even compete. Even with broken pieces like Jaq and Satele.
My challenge - make a competitive squad without her . . .
And I will gladly thrash that squad. With any faction.
I agree. Bastila is no more a NPE to go against than Rieekan/Dodonna or Thrawn/Mas. The OR needed her badly.
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