I hear what you're saying: it's good to have something to talk about.

But I think I disagree with you about the value/importance of complaints. Must we be so negative? Seriously, from reading some of these threads it seems like people aren't having any fun with the game at all. Personally, I think the game is in the best place it's ever been, and IMHO it's more fun to play now than ever before. I recognize that everyone has a right to their own opinions...but that doesn't mean they have the right to continually impress those opinions on the rest of the community. [It's like that old illustration that says, "Your right to throw your fists around in the air stops at my nose."] A constructive discussion about the merits of X piece or the biggest needs of Y faction would be far more helpful (and enjoyable!) than rant-after-rant about how X,Y, and Z are wrong and borken, and how the people who did this don't know what they're doing, and how the design teams need a brain transplant, etc. I find that lack of faith disturbing.

Dudes (and dudettes), it's a game...relax!

Cheers!

You guys must have plenty of SWM discussion in person or in the designers' forums, because these are the most interesting conversations in the General forum since the Obsoleting Figures discussion that ended a couple weeks ago. We'll see what we can do about starting some more intesting conversations...

I just need to add something here. Mixed into this thread (and other threads) have been a lot of complaints about Bastila (and the Yammosk, and others).

Here's the thing - they were very intentional pieces in V-set 1 to bring the 4 "lesser" factions up to speed. They were purposefully aggressively costed and meant to be foundations for the squads.

OR, Vong, Sith and Mandos couldn't even have a hope of competing at the top levels where WotC left them. The designers gave them each one (or more) UBER piece to try and get them up to speed.

One of the biggest things plaguing the game at that time was activation control - so it gave each faction a way to compete with it.
-Bastila nerfed CEs, and since all activation control was CEs at the time, she leveled the field in that respect.
-Manolorian Counter-Intelligence Officer brought black-ops which directly nerfed activation control
-Yammosk allowed you the option to steal activation control
-Sith they went a different route, and gave them the ability to be more aggressive. With Darth Revan SL, you can move and swap in one turn, then use the fig you swapped with in the same phase. Get into their face quick. And they have the beef to last a bit longer.

So those pieces had to be made, or else those factions still would not even be close to competitive at the top levels. (Mandos still really aren't IMO). Show me a top level squad last year in one of those factions that didn't have the cornerstone piece. There aren't any.

OR would still suck - EVEN WITH SATALE SHAN, without Bastila. Does that make her OP or underpriced? Probably. It still needed to happen, or else nobody would play OR.

Each faction now has their thing in the top tier. Some more than one.

OR nerfs CEs. THAT is their thing, and it's due to Bastila. What would their thing be without her? Uh, sorta non-descript force powery kinda beefy jedi? Yeah - it doesn't cut it.

Vong steal a CE. That is now their thing. They couldn't compete without it. Show me a Vong squad without a Yammosk and I'll show you a better one with a Yammosk. They needed that. (and still they struggle)


So I'm sick of people complaining that V-set 1 pieces are so broken when the INTENT was to make the lesser factions compete, and they were so far behind they HAD to get something huge.


Now - after V-set 1 there were certainly pieces that anyone can argue about, and I agree that some were kinda ridiculous (mace, naboo, Jaq, etc)


But let's just leave V-set 1 out of the argument, because in some ways it was simply giving a huge boost were it was needed most. And if that didn't happen, nobody would even be playing those factions competitively. (and this conversation about Satele would be moot!)

So back on topic - yes she is nuts. She's fanboy crazy and undercosted. She'll be a staple for a long time and very competitive. So figure out a way to beat her (there are many). If everybody plays her, then it's actually the biggest advantage you could hope for if you play something that beats her.

One Request, Why not seriously unlock the forums for the design of the Vsets to open up what has been discussed so that the ones on the outside looking in get a real glimpse of what goes down and how things are designed and hammered out to the finished products that we get?

I am curious, what exactly are the complaints about Jaq? I've read the complaints about Kaan, and I still think he works exactly as I desired, and exactly as I intended. But it's cool if you disagree. But other than being a powerful shooter, what makes him worse than other figures with a similar role? Say, Captain Rex, or Dash, etc.

AD is one of those abilities that it's all about the strategy you use. When you are playing it, you never count on it working, and when against it, you always assume it will work once.

What I mean by the second is to play in such a way that if it works, you always have an out. Usually, it's simple enough to make sure you are killing the AD character with the 1st attack of someone with multiple attack options. The odds of making 2 on the same turn are pretty small, so that's always what I try to do.

The end has never justified the means. Wanting more internet traffic is no excuse for negativity and criticism.

The only reason anything good came from this thread was because several people were very patient, while others bit their tongues and kept themselves from responding. Slapping someone in the face and then saying, "But it was good of me to do that because it gave you a chance to practice self-control and we all got to see you do succeed in it" is only a lightsaber blade's thickness away from moronic.