Regardless of if he can manifest into a human shape, he is still a spirit within the Force, he can still communicate from beyond the grave, that is a ghost to me.

Wookiepedia lists him a Force Ghost, I've never heard him not considered a Force Ghost. What is he doing that is different than Yoda and Obi-Wan? Obi-Wan talked to Luke a bunch as a Ghost before literally appearing before him on Dagobah. And even then he is just talking to him. Isn't that what Qui-Gon is doing?

He still taught Yoda and Obi-Wan. I'm not sure what a Ghost that seemingly can't interact with the environment is going to do to aid in teaching. Hand puppets? He just didn't know how to fade away upon dying like they did preserving his appearance. That does make him different I just don't think its so stark as to not qualify him as a Force Ghost. I think the intent of the movie is clear and I'll be honest the Clone Wars bit feels like a cute way to explain why we never got glowing Liam Neeson.

But yeah to each his own

at mando
I said allot moor than that argument is garbage. please try to keep up.

at Andy Hatton.

this game presents a power scale.
pieces that are great at something have greater abilities in that something. pieces that are great at moving and attacking have greater mobile while pieces that are good at moving and attacking have mobile. some pieces have one attack. some pieces have more than one attack.
some pieces deal 10 damage to represent their attack. some deal 20.
etc. etc.

the abilities start to build a pattern. you do not give crap pieces greater mobile attack unless all their other abilities are crap. because greater mobile is a very high skilled ability.

mace uses vaapad, the fastest striking form of lightsaber combat
his attacks seen as blurs, lightning strikes, etc. etc. he was way faster than qui gon.

he has triple with no chance of twin. even though he has a super fast striking form and is a no question mastery of that form. the best of the best of that form. so good with it their is speculation on whether sidious was allowing him to win our was just getting beat.

yoda has triple with a chance of twin, we have seen him dance around he had completely mastery of ataru, way above the level of qui gon (on phone Swype texting please forgive errors in worrying as I am not checking everything).

now we have qui gon. he got beat by darth maul. got handled like a pup. even with the help of his apprentice for a good portion of the battle. was qui gon in his prime? no. what did he ever do in his prime? wad yoda in his prime? no. he still fought off tyranus and held his own with sidious. the same sidious that completely toyed with darth maul and savage oppress at the same time.

it's a joke.

qui gon should NEVER have 6 attacks when yoga had six attacks, when luke the grandmaster version had six attacks, when mace windu had the attacks.

force push 4??
c'mon people! force push 4 is something incredible. knocking maul off his feet is nothing force push 2 is a great representation of that.

serenity....
ya I read it. it does not mean squat.
qui gon sits down meditating while the plasma doors are on,.waiting for them to open so he can engage darth maul. he gets up with a fresh spark in his sure and... dies... gets hit in the forehead and than stabbed through the torso.
after that round of serenity why didn't he just force push maul down the shaft?
heck with that level of force push could have just pushed him to death since his body was completely renewed and he was following the living force.
he assaulted maul that's for sure, no other enemies around, ataru in full effect. but guess what his serenity did very little to cure the fatigue he felt in the long battle. serenity is not that great an ability to Grant 6 force powers.
I guess he failed both his lightsaber defense saves when he got hit in the head and than again when he got stabbed. haha

I find it very insulting for people to throw out one quote and base a position from it. I felt insulted by that level of discussion. so I responded in kind. but sure, I will erase it myself

luke hoth pilot unleashed does have force push 4. I have no idea why. the only thing I can think of is the word unleashed, like a very angry all out force push. even than I wish it had an ability inexperienced: this character is activated for the whole next turn if he uses force push 4. or something like that.

it is very very silly is all I can say about it.
I don't see how that helps the argument that qui gon should be allowed to have it. the pattern for force push 4 is sty by other force push 4 users and force push 3 users and force push 5 users and force push 2 users. luke is an anomaly

if people are basing their views of what is acceptable from other unacceptable portrayals than.. I guess you see that that is wrong.

force push 4 does not represent qui gon. his force pushes were no where near as potent as say cade Skywalker s. who is portrayed with push 3. I would say his pushes are no where near layer in life obi wan kenobi, who is portrayed with push 3, more recently push 4.

are we really going to say that his pushes are on par with galen marek?
they aren't.

I literally think my IQ has decreased reading these past few pages.

Words cannot describe how banal this has been.

After reading these last few pages a question come to mind:

Are grammar, punctuation and spelling still taught in school?

Tim +1.

This is qui-gonn at the peak of his saber fighting powers. The wookieepedia entry on his powers and abilities pretty much define this piece. If you complain about the representation then you clearly don't understand the influence or the character.

You gain power at the expense of tempo (you have to leave ~3rd of your squad hanging for a round, i think the republic can get away with it with swap and tow though). My main issues is that his presence might slow games down so his power output has to be justified.

I think this piece came together well.

Just a note (I know Deri knows this, but so there's no confusion)--he's a commander, so no double push with Tarpals.

During design, he there was talk of making it so he could double push. So I'm sure Deri was thinking back to that