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wookieman
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:31:02 AM
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Where can I find a good price guide to use for evaluating trades?

FlyingArrow
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:17:54 AM
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http://www.coolstuffinc.com/buylist_main.php?pa=vbl&gn=swmini

This is the price being offered by coolstuffinc.com for each piece.
wannabe mexican
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:34:12 AM
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Bare/bear in mind that some people don't trade by estimated monetary value. They will trade depending on how badly they want something, and how badly you want something.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:51:42 AM
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wannabe mexican wrote:
Bare/bear in mind that some people don't trade by estimated monetary value. They will trade depending on how badly they want something, and how badly you want something.


Quite true. There are no canonical prices for anything. But the above list will get some sort of ballpark figures anyway.
Galactic Funk
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:58:26 AM
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I like to use multiple sources rather than rely on just one as you get a better idea of what things are going for. I've used coolstuff, troll and toad, strikezone, miniatures market and others.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:04:04 AM
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There is also: http://www.abprices.com/Products/Game/Star_Wars_Miniatures

Gives you an idea of retail prices (sometimes lags a bit behind on updates).

I usually ignore their "average" prices (usually some crazy high price somewhere skews it).
You can get a good median price just by glancing at the well known stores that have them in stock.

But yes, this is just a ballpark for comparison, nothing more.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:12:47 AM
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Galactic Funk wrote:
I like to use multiple sources rather than rely on just one as you get a better idea of what things are going for. I've used coolstuff, troll and toad, strikezone, miniatures market and others.


Strike Zone only lists prices for items they are currently willing to purchase. (They have a desired stock level for each piece and won't buy beyond that stock level.)

MiniaturesMarket took SWM out of their latest buy list, but they say it will return in the future.
LeftiesWillRule
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:48:30 AM
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I prefer to value a piece by how much it costs to buy, not how little a store will pay for your figure.
StevenO
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:35:31 AM
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Other than having limited data these days I like using completed auction listings.
Jedi Christian
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:06:20 PM
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StevenO wrote:
Other than having limited data these days I like using completed auction listings.


No doubt that you can find a good deal using E-Bay and such but it's not a fair place to gauge pricing. E-Bay is like the pawn shop for minis. For me I use ABprices plus a few stores.
Galactic Funk
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:11:53 PM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Galactic Funk wrote:
I like to use multiple sources rather than rely on just one as you get a better idea of what things are going for. I've used coolstuff, troll and toad, strikezone, miniatures market and others.


Strike Zone only lists prices for items they are currently willing to purchase. (They have a desired stock level for each piece and won't buy beyond that stock level.)

MiniaturesMarket took SWM out of their latest buy list, but they say it will return in the future.


I guess I don't understand the need to use the purchase price that those companies are willing to pay. We are just talking about evaluating prices for trades so you should be able to use the retail prices as a pretty good basis, particularly if you check multiple sites and can throw out prices that are out of whack compared to the rest.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:36:57 PM
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The trade value should really be the open market value that ebay would provide, but there currently aren't enough auctions to establish consistent values for pieces.

Since that's not an option, I don't see much difference between using the retail price or the buyback price. If it's a trade, the actual cash value is irrelevant - only the relative values matter. If the ratios are the same either way, it makes no difference. (Maybe they aren't - I didn't check.) Also, I don't know of a site that lists their entire inventory for sale on a single webpage, but you can get it all listed together on the buyback lists at CSI and MM. So less clicking and more Ctrl-F.

But really, all you get is ballpark values for trading anyway no matter which way you go.
StevenO
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Jedi Christian wrote:
StevenO wrote:
Other than having limited data these days I like using completed auction listings.


No doubt that you can find a good deal using E-Bay and such but it's not a fair place to gauge pricing. E-Bay is like the pawn shop for minis. For me I use ABprices plus a few stores.

You can occasionally find an actual good deal but I'd still say using something around the common selling price is what to use. I say "selling" price because there are certain minis you can easily find but the stores have them priced so high it doesn't seem like anyone is biting. Of course finding the real price can be very difficult because S&H is involved with some pieces not having S&H factor into their purchase (you're already buying something and get "free" shipping on everything else) yet other times that S&H is DEFINITELY part of the selling price.

An issue I see with using store values include inflated sell prices and sometimes horrific buy prices. I mean what's the trade value of Cad Bane if a store will only pay $5 to buy one but sells it a $60?

I really don't think there is an absolute way to determine a $$ amount to view a trade. I know one of the few trades I've made I considered extremely lopsided depending on the view taken; trading one VR for two Uncommons is crazy unless you consider that just one of those uncommons usually sells for as much as that VR can sometimes be purchased for.
kobayashimaru
Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:03:40 AM
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I think i posted elsewhere (maybe?) my thoughts on determining values for minis for trade. For arguments sake, lets eschew the aesthetic/subjective preference dimension and the distribution rate v. production run size dilemmas... BigGrin

1. Find you Cost Per Mini In Lot Rate (CPMIL).
This is found via dividing the cost in dollars (of the total lot), by the total number of minis IN that same lot.
For example, I have bought a lot of minis for $40. There are 20 minis in the lot, therefore: the cost per mini is $2 per mini.

2. Compare the CPMIL rate with the known rate for boosters of the same or similar lot of minis. NB: this is usually around $15/7 = $2.14...

3. If your present CPMIL rate is less than the known booster rate, youve scored a bargain! (generally). This is especially true for VR/R lots...

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Rares and VR's tend to follow a slightly different model: User pays.
I go by comparing CPMIL's and if the minis are desirable. I tend to value Rares and Very Rares as part of lot; not as standalone figures with extraordinary CPMIL breaking value BigGrin
Its interesting to see where and how value accumulates in minis; they accrue interest very slowly... exponentially? Time will tell BigGrin

Hope this helps.
jak
Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:12:48 AM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/buylist_main.php?pa=vbl&gn=swmini

This is the price being offered by coolstuffinc.com for each piece.


I also use coolstuff because they show value of all minis, not just the one they have in stockThumpUp
Galactic Funk
Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:35:34 AM
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jak wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/buylist_main.php?pa=vbl&gn=swmini

This is the price being offered by coolstuffinc.com for each piece.


I also use coolstuff because they show value of all minis, not just the one they have in stockThumpUp


Agreed. That's very helpful. Troll and Toad lists prices for both as well. Which is why I prob use those two the most when checking prices.
Jedi Christian
Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:09:07 PM
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StevenO wrote:
Jedi Christian wrote:
StevenO wrote:
Other than having limited data these days I like using completed auction listings.


No doubt that you can find a good deal using E-Bay and such but it's not a fair place to gauge pricing. E-Bay is like the pawn shop for minis. For me I use ABprices plus a few stores.

You can occasionally find an actual good deal but I'd still say using something around the common selling price is what to use. I say "selling" price because there are certain minis you can easily find but the stores have them priced so high it doesn't seem like anyone is biting. Of course finding the real price can be very difficult because S&H is involved with some pieces not having S&H factor into their purchase (you're already buying something and get "free" shipping on everything else) yet other times that S&H is DEFINITELY part of the selling price.

An issue I see with using store values include inflated sell prices and sometimes horrific buy prices. I mean what's the trade value of Cad Bane if a store will only pay $5 to buy one but sells it a $60?

I really don't think there is an absolute way to determine a $$ amount to view a trade. I know one of the few trades I've made I considered extremely lopsided depending on the view taken; trading one VR for two Uncommons is crazy unless you consider that just one of those uncommons usually sells for as much as that VR can sometimes be purchased for.


I agree with your points. As Ebay can go low, stores can go high. It really depends on if you wanting to buy or just trade. If trading, the store prices is a good gauge to see what's your minis worth. If buying the stores can go too crazy.
Galactic Funk
Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:03:07 AM
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Here's a really good example of why I think it's best to use multiple sources and not rely on one price.

I just went on e-bay and searched "star wars miniatures". On the first page I got results for a Shaak Ti, Jedi Master from The Force Unleashed with a buy it now of $11.25 plus $1.99 shipping (total of $12.24). The seller: strikezoneonline. So I do a quick check of their price listed on their own website for that same Shaak Ti, Jedi Master and I get a price of $9.88 plus $1.11 shipping (the most comparable choice available). So on their own website you can get the piece for a total of $10.99 which makes sense since e-bay will be taking a cut.

Typically most strikzone prices are more expensive than that of coolstuff but in this case they are cheaper for this individual mini ($11.99 plus .99 shipping at coolstuff). However take another item from that same 1st page, Luke's Snowspeeder, selling on e-bay for a buy it now of $10.42 plus shipping. Once again the seller was strikezone and once again it can be purchased cheaper straight off their website. Meanwhile you can buy Luke's Snowspeeder from coolstuff for $4.99 plus shipping. Big difference in that case.

Now that is an example of a company (strikezone) who has both an online store as well as an e-bay store whose prices on e-bay are rightfully higher due to e-bay's cut. Obviously though you are going to find a high volume of mini's on e-bay that are from private sellers and not retail stores. There are plenty of deals to be had on e-bay from private sellers but for more in demand miniatures the price frequently goes close to (or even exceeds) what you can find them for from an on-line retail store.

I've also seen sellers who do a really poor job of presenting their items and use poor photos and descriptions that omit key info about what is being sold. Many of these auctions get missed by would be buyers because they can't immediately tell what is for sale. Those are great opportunities to find good buys on e-bay. But again, that kind of sale price isn't indicative of what the actual value is.

I like e-bay for finding deals but for me there is way too much variance in price to use them as a reliable way to determine value, particularly when it's clear that some of the prices you find are jacked up specifically to account for the cut e-bay takes from the seller.
BountyHunterH
Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:03:32 PM
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Multiple issues/questions being asked/discussed here, so let me weigh in on a few.

How do I value for a trade? I use eBay as a guide for what I could buy said want for as well as what the replacement cost would be for the piece(s) to be traded. Back in the baseball card day, I would trade penny for penny. Fortunately I have grown up to just expect it to be close to fair. I also am willing to part with more to get a "high want".

My brother-in-law was the first to introduce me to trading by play value. I struggled with that concept for quite some time, but now I at least understand it. I don't tend to lean this way, but I can understand why some do.

When it comes to trading with me, I want to be sure it is worth my time (really money) to ship the stuff out. I will not likely trade 3 C/UCs for 3 of "yours". If I could buy the pieces for roughly the same (or even 20% more) without parting with pieces, then I won't make the trade. Certainly if VRs are involved, this becomes less of an issue.

With regards to shops on eBay and their own site, I am VERY frustrated with Troll and Toad. I agree with the logic that eBay should be more expensive than their site due to fees, but I have found it to be the EXACT OPPOSITE! It is possible that the issue is where I live (though I am in Michigan so relatively central), it frustrates me that eBay is the cheaper way to go with them. Does anyone know why this may happen? I can't say it is across the board, but on the last 4 - 6 VRs that I was looking for it was.

My 47 cents worth.

BountyHunterH
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