I was reading the wants for the V-set 4 when I stumbled upon a post about a want for a Chancellor Palpatine that acts somewhat like Palleon i.e. same commander effect and instead of Ysalmiri, giving Disciplined Leader to allied commanders. I am not wanting to "start" anything here, personally I think the piece is well made. What I do want is to kind of get a discussion going on whether or not this sort of piece should be made for any faction, not just Republic.

My personal view is that it should stay with Imperials. Most squads already have a form of change through Reinforcements of some kind, whether it be faction specific or Lobot. Imperials were given a wonderful utility piece that allows them to change even more and the way it was done fits well with Imperial squads in general. Imperials tend to have high costed commanders and with the introduction of Bastila, another Fringe Disruptive, New Republic Disruptive, or even strong Vong pieces the viability of commander heavy squads gets diminished. The Imperials having the ability to change their style right at the board can save them from losing a game before the game even starts.

That is just my thought but am open to hearing other's opinions. I am not dead set on, "There can be only one!" but as of now I don't see why another faction should have a Palleon sort of piece.

Perhaps something that could be looked into is the use of special abilities to boost factions rather than just commander effects. For example Sepratists have both Roger, Roger and Fire Control.

Could you explain what you mean by, "Like Force Sense"? I am unaware of any special interactions force sense has.

@jlbm347... What I mean is that the effect of ABM should behave like FS; wherein CE's are suppressed only till the end of the round and not the start of the character's next turn.

i thought about this some more, and in terms of the Pellaeon's CE, or some version of it, being used by other characters I examined "the swap". The Imperials have the best version of swapping, but the Rebels and Republic have lesser versions too. So maybe Palpy could have a restricted version where he can only exchange Order 66 guys, and the Rebels could have some version too (I've already professed my ignorance of the Rebels), so I'll leave the specifics for them to someone else. But I hear the Rebels need a Mon Mothma........

As for giving DL, i think the range of 6 helps keep it balanced. Of course you could always reduce the range, or even make being adjacent a requirement. Plus if, hypothetically, he had a Pellaeon-like CE for clones, then squads would most likely focus on squads that use clones. So the Jedi commanders wouldn't be a big deal. Plus they could give him Reinforcements to raise his "actual" cost and that would increase the points your opponent gets form defeating him. Which in turns make the player using him feel an incentive to keep him safe, thus making giving Disciplined Leader less effective.

Or maybe, like the CE idea, he would only give DL order 66 characters. Thus, again, he wouldn't help Jedi. I think that reflects who he is as a character rather well.

Quite true.

ABM is overpowered, but only slightly so. The problem is that it is virtually 'always on'. Skip the first round since it probably doesn't matter. Then it can stay on for almost all of the next 4 rounds. By then the game is nearly over.

"Until end of round" would certainly weaken it. I don't think that's a good idea for two reasons. One, it arguably weakens it too much. More importantly, it means an errata. And I think that's a bad idea in general.

Disciplined Leader is a great counter. Unfortunately, right now it's found in OLD REPUBLIC. Great - a counter in the same faction. Kind of like the double death-shots squad, which is a great counter to Yobuck but in the same faction.

Force Suppression is a great idea as a counter (also found in the same faction, but elsewhere too). Problem there is that you have to actually get close enough to Bastila to use it.

A more powerful Force Suppression is needed, but one that is expensive enough that it is only worth using against something as significant as ABM.

Concentrated Force Suppression: Force 4; after a character activates a Force power, the character must spend an additional force point or the Force power is canceled.

Notice that it is boardwide, it is very expensive, and it doesn't even cancel the Force power - it just makes it more expensive. This allows an enemy to force Bastila (or Atris or anyone else) to burn a couple extra force points so that Force abilities are still very powerful, but not 'always on'. This is perfect for a Yoda of Dagobah type character.

I agree with this if you mean it shouldn't be passed from one character to another. I wouldn't mind seeing more of it, but it should be just as rare as Disruptive. Any more than 4 or 5 characters with it and that's too much. We can spread that out over the next 5 sets, too. No need to rush it.

Repectfully must disagree FA, as your statement is exactly the reason (IMO) why it does need a revision. Because with a higher act OR squad, there will be very few gaps at the end of round 2 & 4 for opponents to take action upon. One of the issues that I see is that we are seeing a significant influx of new FP's & SA's to the game. By creating yet another new FP or SA to rook ABM is (again IMO) counter productive, simply address the duration mechanics of ABM.

Maybe too much Lean Six Sigma is creeping in here... LOL