This thread is for the discussion of Bastilla Shan, Jedi Master. Complaints, criticisms, praise, and ideas welcome. Since she is commonly brought up because she is both overtly effective for the OR and very frustrating for some players, other players, I figured this might keep other threads from being diverted by her discussion. Please be cordial, respectful, civil, and use the Nerf weapons provided if you feel the urge for violence.

I enjoy Using Bastilla. I'm glad she was created to help the OR.I could be wrong but I don't think her squads are unbeatable. One of my favorite ways to beat her is using Lancer droid teams. She can Be a handful for Inexperienced players but I would hope they would give her a chance both for and against.

The problem is not that she's unbeatable. She's certainly not unbeatable. The problem is that there is a large class of squads for which Bastila is an un-fun auto-loss. Also, it's not 3 full rounds without commander effects - it's 4. Rounds 2 through 5, by which point the game is often all but over.

There are a number of ways to work around her:
* Ysalimiri/Vong
* Out-activate her so you get a window to attack at the end of a round
* With Vset3: Force Light, Disciplined Leader, Force Suppression
* Create a squad that doesn't need its CEs to function

You forgot 2 counters that any squad can do, and this is important because its almost always the two most important ways to counter her.

1. Attack her - if you are able. Even an ugnaught can shut down ABM. I beat Ian's OR at Gencon last year because right after he fired ABM, I attacked his Bastilla. Now, some times you won't be able to make attacks. That leads to number 2.

2. Prepare yourself and wait her out. There are moments in rounds 2-5 where she will not have it on. This is not 3 full rounds, unless you are also out activated, and lack any kind of initiative control (and if that's the case against the OR, you probably would lose regardless of ABM in most cases). You use those moments to do your nastiest things, including occasionally getting in position to shut down ABM. When your opponent realizes you are waiting her out (5 rounds will take less than 20 minutes if you aren't doing anything), your opponent will overextend in most cases because they realize they are going to lose their advantage if they don't push. Wait for it, counter it, and kill their figure right under ABM.

I'm simply amazed at what people keep posting about ABM. There are two extremely competitive squad types that virtually ignore ABM altogether, Lancers and Yoda on Kybuck. Both shut her down easily. When two of the most competitive squads have 0 issue with her, it shouldn't be a piece that we complain about so heavily.

Also, the counter to being attacked (other than Lancer and Kybuck which can both virtually always get to her), is to lock Bastilla in a room while using ABM. That's great. Remember the extra damage and work on killing the rest of the squad. Unless you are running a non-competitive trooper build, you should still be able in most cases to play with a 160pt squad with your 200, even without your CEs for a while.

I was thinking about this, and obviously it's all academic now, but wouldn't that possibly make her more powerful? The reasoning is that ABM would last an entire round everytime as opposed to the way it is now where you get a window after she activates, but before the rounds ends. So as long as you have more activations you at least get your CEs after she activates, having used ABM the previous round.

I think the way they set up ABM was well thought out.

It's in the Destiny of the Force rules supplement. Force Abilities that do not last until the end of the skirmish are terminated if the character takes damage, makes an attack, rolls a save, or spends a force point. It's true for all Force abilities that do not last until the end of the skirmish, so you wouldn't see it mentioned in the rules specifically for ABM.

The problem I have with Bastilla is that I think she hurts what the designers can do in the future for the old republic, oh well i want a person that has double twin.... well wait bastialla will give them +10 damage... great 10 base damage for you....... yay. I think she was perfect when DotF came out, but now... not so much there is enough out in the old republic for them to remain competitive if you dropped her completely, not many people will do so because ABM is just so good.


To Bill, the problem with running yobuck up and attacking Bastilla is that any experienced player will not let you just run up to her and strafe her and run away, they will make it to where you will have to end right there, and then blow you away with carth/atton/Elite gunners/ with a senator.... or lock her in a room.

Yeah, Rebel heroes with SAs instead of being CE dependent is the way to go, I think.

Bastila- Powerful, yes. Even very powerful. And can be somewhat disheartening to face. But, like Bill said, if you wait her out and make them come to you and be... God forbid... Defensive (Gasp), you will have a much better chance. Now, I do agree that it does suck because now we can't make certain characters for OR a certain way because of her power. It is kinda annoying. Double twin on any piece with a 20 base is almost out of the question now. Unless they have a low attack.

So, my thought on Bastila overall? I think a high costing Ysalirimi piece for fringe would be ok. It wouldn't be in every squad because of the cost, but it is a piece that could be useful in the right circumstances, like in a squad with 1 very important commander effect. I just hope the Ysilimiri piece wouldn't be too powerful.
But, even if we didn't get it, there are plenty of squads that can take a Bastila squad down. Even a CE heavy one if played correctly.

It's not 3 rounds of waiting. If nothing is happening, you wait rounds 2-7 with ABM turned on. And if you're truly waiting in the back doing nothing, by the time ABM is off, you'd give up 5 rounds of gambit.