He's only too powerful when he scores critical hits. His average damage output on par with Mara Jade, Jedi or Lord Vader.

And around we go again...

Keep track of when the crits happen (when killing a piece, critting when they only have 10-20 HP remaining really doesn't matter).

Seperating your pieces has been a basic strategy since RS. It is key to limiting Flurry's potential.

Use the counters. Block, Defense, Parry, Makashi are great in limiting the damage output. Durge and Saesee Tiin, JM are especially tough on Mace, keeping his damage output very low.

The shooting might help but he still has Reflect and MOT2, plus he has renewal 2 so getting him to little force points is kinda of hard. And using parry and other stuff to counter as long as he crits he can only block or parry so manny times and Mace can be also very hard to hit if he has gowk with him since that what people like to do. He is way to cheap for what he can do its bullcrap.

First question, have you played him yet? Initially most everyone thought he was insanely overpowers, including me. In fact right as I opened the box I built a squad with him, and straight up got slaughter by the maul from that set which is around 10 points LESS. In fact I dont think I have played a game where he has survived. One of the biggest things I learned from looking at the V-sets is dont judge until you play. Because paper is quite different than which it comes down to dice.

Great Points. I love Mace, He opens up some nice options, but he is not unbeatable. Experienced players will quickly find his weak points. I do love him for going after Dodonna(doughnut) and Reikann.... I LOVE IT It makes me Happy

At the Wampa Stompa tournament last fall, I used Salacious Crumb to kill mace.

I think LeGOWKy is a contender as well, but there is so much that can go wrong with it now that V3 is released. I like urbanshmi's squad, it is more versatile and speedy.

It just is too rough vs the new Vong squads out there. A Jedi Hunter with either Momentum or GOWK's CE makes it absolutely brutal on him, especially since he can't kill one without a crit (seriously, send one in one at a time, and you will lose maybe 2 or 3 before he dies). And if Mace becomes dominant, the tech against him will come out. I have been seriously playing around with Saesee Tiin, JM now that the Klatoonian Captain is out. Speed 8 Surprise Move, sure. Evade on a piece with Block, yes again.

I get upset when I lose too. Instead of calling out pieces you should call out yourself. More often then not you made a play mistake that allowed him to beat you.

It's the same argument people used to make about yoda on Kybuck. "oh man yoda kills all my fodder too fast" .....ya if you don't protect your squishies yoda will run all of them over. You have to change tactics each game or youll lose. Have you ever watched a war movie? The armies that win are the ones that change strategies when something isn't working. A general doesn't say "oh man, those tanks are unfair and OP" he figures out a way to alter his plan and kill the tanks.

Force renewal 2 means mace can reflect maybe 3 shots per game, or even less if he uses force for speed or rerolls. Then he may only make 1 out of those reflects. So the strategy is simple as shoot and spread out.

I think you're best off if you have a mixture of movement breakers and defense. And a bodyguard of some sort is always helpful, but balance is key. If you go one way or the other too much you may have games where you absolutely dominate, but you also increase your chance of having a terrible match up.

I think a lot of people miss this. They get caught up in the fact that Mace's damage potential is technically infinity, but that's true of ALL characters with Flurry Attack. What is his ACTUAL average damage output?

Well, against a character with 20 defense, he has a 15% chance to miss, a 65% chance to get a normal hit, and a 20% chance to get a crit. 0.15x0=0, 0.65x20=13, 0.2x60=12, so each attack does an average of 25 damage. The problem is that that 20% chance to get a crit ALSO grants another attack, so we really need to find out the likelihood of 0 crits, 1 crit, 2 crits, etc.

The likelihood of 0 crits on 3 attacks is 0.8^3, or 51.2%. The likelihood of getting 1 crit on the first 3 attacks but then not a crit on the free attack is (0.8^3*0.2)*3 (it's 4 attacks now, 3 with the 0.8 chance to not be a crit, one with the 0.2 chance to be a crit, and there are 3 permutations that would create this result, those being 0.2*0.8*0.8*0.8, 0.8*0.2*0.8*0.8. and 0.8*0.8*0.2*0.8). That's another 30.7%. The likelihood of getting 2 crits is (0.8^3*0.2^2)*6, or 12.3%. Getting 3 crits will happen (0.8^3*0.2^3)*10 or 4.1% of the time. Getting a stunning 4 crits will happen (0.8^3*0.2*4)*15 or 1.2% of the time. That makes up for 99.5% of the rolls you'll make with Mace, so I'll stop there.

So 51.2% of the time you're getting no crits. That means that against a character with 20 defense, you're on average doing just 39 damage. That sucks. 30.7% of the time, though, you're getting one crit, which means you're doing that 39 damage plus another 60, for 99 damage. Much better. 12.3% of the time you'll average a whopping 159 damage with 2 crits, 4.1% of the time you'll be doing 219 damage, and 1.2% of the time you'll get 279 damage! Now lets multiply all that out to find the overall average.

(0.512*39)+(0.307*99)+(0.123*159)+(0.041*219)+(0.012*279)=82.245 average damage against a character with 20 defense.

Lets compare that to, say, Mara Jade Jedi.

WITH Cunning, she has a simple 15% chance to miss, 10% chance to crit, and 75% chance to hit. That's 0.15*0+0.1*40+0.75*30=26.5 damage per hit. With Lightsaber Assault she's getting 4 attacks, so 26.5*4=106 average damage with Cunning. Woah, that's way better than Mace! Of course, that requires her to be getting Cunning, and lets say she's only getting that half the time.

WITHOUT Cunning, she's got a 35% chance to miss, 10% chance to crit, and 55% chance to hit, and does less damage. So now we're looking at 0.35*0+0.1*30+0.55*20=14 damage per hit, 4 hits makes it 56 damage.

If she's getting 56 damage half the time and 106 damage half the time, that's simply 28+53=81 average damage overall. That's only 1.245 points of damage on average less than Mace, who costs a full 20 points more than her.


Now obviously there are lots of other factors to consider. Mace can spend 2 Force Points to reroll, Mara can't, which makes his number a lot better. Mace will also often be in a squad with GOWK or General Skywalker or someone like that to increase his damage output. However, Mara also realistically gets Cunning with Lightsaber Assault WAY more than half the time; I'd say that when I play her and Ganner (which I do quite often), she's getting it at least 85% of the time. There's also the issue that if Mace rolls 4 crits but is only adjacent to 1 enemy, a lot of that damage will get wasted, and there are always the other parts of the character that need to be considered: Mara has Stealth and is a shooter, both big advantages, and also has Block, while Mace has FR2 and MotF2, Absorb, Riposte, and higher Defense and HP, but he costs 20 points more, which is a whole lot of points.

Frankly, I consider Mara Jade, Jedi to be a much better piece than Mace. Yeah, Mace is powerful, but if you don't get a crit his damage output is pretty pathetic for his cost, and she's just a better bargain than him all around for 20 points less.