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obsidian7788
Posted: Friday, March 8, 2013 5:38:16 PM
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Curious as to how it interacts with qui gons force spirit 6 and other jedis force renewal powers
Galactic Funk
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I just came in here to ask the same question about Qui-Gon Jedi Master.

The way I see it there is no mention of a unique Republic force user needing to benefit from MMM on its turn. It's once per turn so it can happen whenever. Force Spirit 6 is a Force Power that triggers when defeated. I also see no mention of the Force Power needing to have a cost to use it.

It appears as if all unique Republic allies in your squad could use Force Spirit 6 when each of them is defeated. I'm interested in the official ruling.
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I think it appears that way, but I'm also waiting on an official ruling.

It also appears that Surprise Move cannot be used, since it is not used on a turn.
markedman247
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Can Chancellor Palpitine PROVIDE master of the force 2 during Master Mind Meld? The wording states only having a Lightsaber matters as a user of said force power but not as a provider.

This then leads to the question can Force Renewal X be granted per turn to a Unique?
fingersandteeth
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obsidian7788 wrote:
Curious as to how it interacts with qui gons force spirit 6 and other jedis force renewal powers


so the limits are that a figure with a force rating and a lightsaber can use a force power from another unique republic ally once per turn.

So if a fig dies and hasn't used someone elses force power that turn they can choose to use Force spirit.

Republic allies without a lightsaber can share but not receive force powers, so you could use palpatine as a fig who grants alter, etc.

Force renewal, master of the force and the like are considered force powers so you can share them
(Jorus comes with both so any Jorus squad can share his powers except MMM). However, this is where the "once per turn" becomes restrictive. If you choose to take MotF 2 it only helps if the fig itself has 2 powers it can use i.e. Obi wan JP can use assault and use the force if he was to borrow MotF2 but once he borrowed MotF2 he wouldn't be able to use other shared abilities that turn. He could also use the force on 2 seperate attacks on the same turn if he chose to use MotF2.

So Jorus can really boost the amount of force a squad can access to by sharing Force renewal, sharing force spirit and the like.

So he is a kind of force battery but there is always a risk in using him.

Bear in mind that there is still the restriction of abilities of stacking so while you can repeatedly give Force Spirit to a figure and thus giving them LOADS of force they will only be able to spend force once extra per turn (per definition of Force spirit) regardless of how often its given to the same fig because the increase in expenditure is fixed.
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Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:46:56 AM
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Galactic Funk wrote:

It appears as if all unique Republic allies in your squad could use Force Spirit 6 when each of them is defeated. I'm interested in the official ruling.


correct, so long as they haven't used someone elses power already. sf
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FlyingArrow wrote:
I think it appears that way, but I'm also waiting on an official ruling.

It also appears that Surprise Move cannot be used, since it is not used on a turn.


correct
fingersandteeth
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markedman247 wrote:
Can Chancellor Palpitine PROVIDE master of the force 2 during Master Mind Meld? The wording states only having a Lightsaber matters as a user of said force power but not as a provider.

This then leads to the question can Force Renewal X be granted per turn to a Unique?


yes to both
obsidian7788
Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013 11:00:26 AM
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It would seem like they would still be able to use force spirit even though theysed someone elses force power. Say they used jorus motf 2 on THEIR TURN. Ok they end their turn then lets say on the
ENEMIES TURN that same character is defeated so if its a different turn would they get to use force spirit.
fingersandteeth
Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013 11:27:39 AM
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obsidian7788 wrote:
It would seem like they would still be able to use force spirit even though theysed someone elses force power. Say they used jorus motf 2 on THEIR TURN. Ok they end their turn then lets say on the
ENEMIES TURN that same character is defeated so if its a different turn would they get to use force spirit.


the restriction is you can do it once a turn, but you can freely use different force powers on different turn.

You can on the 1st turn use FR2, then force cloak on your next turn, then master speed on your 3rd, so long as jorus is melding.

If you don't use someone else's force power before being defeated you can use force spirit .


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fingersandteeth wrote:
If you don't deflect, reroll a save or spend force on the turn in anyway before being defeated you can use force spirit.

So, using somone else's Force Power, such as Force Spirit, counts toward your force spending cap?
urbanjedi
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I don't think you can give MOTF2 though because it specifically states you cannot spend FP more than once per turn. Very similar to the wording/ruling on Marka Ragnos Force Spirit.
obsidian7788
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Okay i think u misunderstood my question. Its kind of along the lines of sith rage when the turns are different. Character A uses a force power from another character with MMM he has satisfied the once per turn requirement. Now an enemy character defeats A on the enemis turn can he or can he not use force spirit because its a different turn in the same round.
fingersandteeth
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juice man wrote:
fingersandteeth wrote:
If you don't use someone elses force power before being defeated you can use force spirit.

So, using somone else's Force Power, such as Force Spirit, counts toward your force spending cap?


actually, no. So you could still use it if you havn't already shared a FP. My post above is mis-leading, i'll edit it.
fingersandteeth
Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013 12:53:37 PM
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urbanjedi wrote:
I don't think you can give MOTF2 though because it specifically states you cannot spend FP more than once per turn. Very similar to the wording/ruling on Marka Ragnos Force Spirit.


Here's how i interpreted it.

You can use MotF2 but you can only use the figures force pool to spend twice. If you use Jorus' pool you can only use it once (because it explicitly states so). But you could still borrow a force power and use his force to pay for it.
So there are interesting limits.
fingersandteeth
Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013 1:03:39 PM
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obsidian7788 wrote:
Okay i think u misunderstood my question. Its kind of along the lines of sith rage when the turns are different. Character A uses a force power from another character with MMM he has satisfied the once per turn requirement. Now an enemy character defeats A on the enemis turn can he or can he not use force spirit because its a different turn in the same round.


once per turn is once per turn.

Once another turn starts the ability is reset.

So i go with obi wan and borrow master speed to go hit someone
next turn i get defeated and borrow force spirit.
swinefeld
Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013 1:55:35 PM
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fingersandteeth wrote:
urbanjedi wrote:
I don't think you can give MOTF2 though because it specifically states you cannot spend FP more than once per turn. Very similar to the wording/ruling on Marka Ragnos Force Spirit.


Here's how i interpreted it.

You can use MotF2 but you can only use the figures force pool to spend twice. If you use Jorus' pool you can only use it once (because it explicitly states so). But you could still borrow a force power and use his force to pay for it.
So there are interesting limits.


Agreed. Nothing preventing Chancellor Palpy from spending his own FPs twice per turn. Same thing if you borrow MotF2.
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