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So, we were playing a game(as most people do here) and came across a problem with malgus(the monster that he is) making cad bane bounty hunter savage. The question that needed answering was
Can cad bane BH furious assault when he is savage?
I thought no, because savage states the movement of your turn, and if you could move next to someone, and not replace your turn, even though you are allowed moving in furious assault, you still have to give up your original movement to do so.
I also understood where my opponent was coming from, as he thought since you are eventually fulfilling the requirements of savage, you could furious assault next to someone, and that would just mean you could furious assault, but just end next to someone.
Let the discussion commence until a decision is produced and the case is adjourned.
rules guys, thanks for your time and efforts.
You rule. Especially you.
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Hmm. After mulling this over, I'm thinking Savage would not prevent FA. Savage doesn't replace any of part of the character's turn, it just (usually) forces you to give up your ability to attack if it takes more than six squares to base an enemy.
For an easier example, imagine a Force user seven squares away from the nearest enemy. Being afflicted with Savage wouldn't keep you from spending a Force point so you could move seven and still attack.
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If Cad can run 12, base Malgus, then yes he can attack him.
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The following questions and answers are from the FAQ (2011): Quote:Q: Can a savage character use an ability that replaces turn if doing so would prevent him from moving adjacent to an enemy?
A: No Quote:Q: Can General Grievous spend a Force point to move faster when using his Wheeled ability? Can Darth Maul on Speeder spend a Force point to move faster with his Charging Assault?
A: Yes. "Normal move" is defined as the initial movement generated by a character taking its turn, including movement created by abilities that replace the character's turn. And the glossary (BlooMilk) definition of Savage is: Quote:This character is wild and difficult to control. It must end its move adjacent to an enemy if it can (if it can’t reach an enemy, it moves normally). If it starts its turn adjacent to an enemy, it must end its turn adjacent to an enemy, though that need not be the same character (although if it moves to do so, it might provoke attacks of opportunity). If it defeats an adjacent enemy before moving, the Savage character does not have to move adjacent to another enemy. A Savage character is not subject to commander effects. --- Based on this information, here is what I think: Savage only requires the character to "move" adjacent. As can be seen in the second question from the FAQ, "normal move" can apply to a move created by an ability that replaces a character's turn -- such as Furious Assault. However, as can be seen in the first question, an ability that replaces turn cannot be used to ignore Savage. Thus, Cad Bane would be able to use Furious Assault, but he would be forced to move adjacent to Malgus regardless. -- Are there any flaws in my reasoning? (Sorry that this post isn't as coherent or organized as it should be -- I'm worried that Sithborg will sweep in and make a ruling before I finish this post, so I'm in a hurry.)
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It comes down to when savage kicks in, before you replace your turn, or after?
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Savage has no effect on a character's ability to replace its turn, as long as the replaces turn ability does not interfere with the movement requirements of Savage (i.e., if the replaces turns ability prevents movement, or does not allow the character to move far enough to get adjacent to an enemy).
I think SignerJ pretty much nailed it.
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This isn't any different than Chazrach's replacing their turn to use Charging Assault against an enemy regardless if they began their turn while Savage or not.
The difference with Malgus is that you have to come to him specifically if you can. So by all means, Furious Assault away on him and hope he has another ally that you can move adjacent to simultaneously because it will probably be a one shot deal before he pummels Cad into oblivion.
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Galactic Funk wrote:This isn't any different than Chazrach's replacing their turn to use Charging Assault against an enemy regardless if they began their turn while Savage or not. Forgot about that.
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I love the 'This character is wild and difficult to control' bit,  .
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Galactic Funk wrote:The difference with Malgus is that you have to come to him specifically if you can. So by all means, Furious Assault away on him and hope he has another ally that you can move adjacent to simultaneously because it will probably be a one shot deal before he pummels Cad into oblivion. I thought there was an errata to Malgus that said you don't have to move next to him any more. Sorry, slightly off topic here 
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The errata simply added the clause that if Malgus was defeated, you are no longer under the effect of Face Your Destiny, the full text still reads:
Face Your Destiny (Force 3, usable only on this character’s turn: choose an enemy within 12 squares regardless of line of sight and cover; that character gains Savage and is not affected by Empathy until the start of this character’s next turn or until this character is defeated; save 16. While affected by this ability: on its turn, the chosen character must move adjacent to this character if it can.)
I know the way the errata was worded confused a few people into thinking that last line had been removed, but it wasn't
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AndyHatton wrote:The errata simply added the clause that if Malgus was defeated, you are no longer under the effect of Face Your Destiny, the full text still reads:
Face Your Destiny (Force 3, usable only on this character’s turn: choose an enemy within 12 squares regardless of line of sight and cover; that character gains Savage and is not affected by Empathy until the start of this character’s next turn or until this character is defeated; save 16. While affected by this ability: on its turn, the chosen character must move adjacent to this character if it can.)
I know the way the errata was worded confused a few people into thinking that last line had been removed, but it wasn't Yeah i just went back and read it and it does say that only the first line has been replaced. my bad 
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theultrastar wrote:If Cad can run 12, base Malgus, then yes he can attack him. Actually he can do it always, even if he can't base him. If he can base him, then he has to but still can FA. If he can't move 12 and base him, he's free to do whatever he wants, including FA
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TimmerB123 wrote:theultrastar wrote:If Cad can run 12, base Malgus, then yes he can attack him. Actually he can do it always, even if he can't base him. If he can base him, then he has to but still can FA. If he can't move 12 and base him, he's free to do whatever he wants, including FA To clarify this, if he can't base Malgus, he must base another enemy if he can. If he can't base any enemies he is free to do whatever.
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swinefeld wrote:TimmerB123 wrote:theultrastar wrote:If Cad can run 12, base Malgus, then yes he can attack him. Actually he can do it always, even if he can't base him. If he can base him, then he has to but still can FA. If he can't move 12 and base him, he's free to do whatever he wants, including FA To clarify this, if he can't base Malgus, he must base another enemy if he can. If he can't base any enemies he is free to do whatever. Wait, I thought it was a Savage effect specifically to Malgus and Malgus only? If you can't base Malgus then the effect is negated entirely isn't it?
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Galactic Funk wrote:Wait, I thought it was a Savage effect specifically to Malgus and Malgus only? If you can't base Malgus then the effect is negated entirely isn't it? Nope. Look: Quote:Face Your Destiny: (Force 3, usable only on this character’s turn: choose an enemy within 12 squares regardless of line of sight and cover; that character gains Savage and is not affected by Empathy until the start of this character’s next turn or until this character is defeated; save 16. While affected by this ability: on its turn, the chosen character must move adjacent to this character if it can.) The first thing that happens is the character gains [Savage] and is immune to Empathy. Then the second part kicks in, which requires to target to move adjacent to Malgus.
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