No. No it is not.

Welcome to the game post cancellation. The community was bound to dwindle, no matter what. Given the split the "community" had while the game was still in production, it's amazing it didn't just disappear after MOTF.

Besides, is there any way "we" can enforce such a limit? No prize support is necessarily given to them, outside of maybe some promos and Engineer trophies. Are we going to ask for them back if they didn't reach some theoretical amount of players? Is the hassle really worth it? No.

Besides, it sounds like SWM Regionals are getting about the same amount of SWLCG Regionals, so what is your issue?

The point is for players to get together and play AT ALL. Regionals are typically my only chance all year to play with people who I didn't just teach the rules to, and that's only possible thanks to the laxness of regional setup (last year I was allowed to host my own regional, using custom minis I made as prize support to make it worth other players coming to my town) that I get to play at all.

And Gencon badges aren't given out anymore. We're not sanctioned by a company so we don't get nice things like that anymore.

The pool of players is smaller, so being a "regional winner" is of course less glorious. The point of regionals is for players to get together and play their best to win. They play competitive games with people who know their stuff. That's about it. Trying to force a minimum number of players would only result in cancelling regionals after everyone has already driven and it turns out they only got 6 players instead of 8. That's no fun. Then what? They'd hold a non-regional tournament anyways. So what changes? The prize support? The name of the tournament? There's really no point in trying to change the way its set up, given the status of our community.



The different minis and map lists have nothing to do with why its hard to get new people to play. Its hard to get new people to play because the game is out-of-print and the cost of entry into this game is expensive. For the people who are willing to put down the money to get minis now, at their inflated costs, a map list and different websites are not going to discourage them.

As for your friends, that's not a good reason. Its no different from if they had quit a while back and Wizards was still producing sets. They'd have to get caught up on the meta and learn about all the new characters they had missed. The only difference is that there isn't an easy go-to squad buildup for winning a tournament. Back when Wizards made the minis, it was easy to build for a tournament. I would just follow the formula for a Rebel Hancannon squad, or Panaka+Yobuck, or Sidious+Lancer. The V-sets have made it so that numerous squads can win and there isn't a single surefire winning squad, which would make the game less fun.

V-sets are a source of lifeblood to this game. It keeps old players playing, and the description of the game kept alive by players who care about it is a BIG item in trying to convince new people to try it out (i.e. its such a good game that the players try really hard to keep it alive). New players wouldn't want to play this game anymore once they figured out which were the few dominant squads and knew that they wouldn't be changing. Even if your friends would get back into the game if it was exactly the same as it was years ago, there'd BE no game to get back into because all of us players who have been playing the whole time would have gotten tired of Sidious+Lancer and Yobuck and left for other games.

Now to this i have to say, Really? We are producing 2 sets a year right now. Yes there are new abilities but we are producing approximately the same amount WOTC did at the Games Height. So this really isn't even a valid complaint or argument. To be honest i feel that if we produced less than that people would drop off quicker because the gamer would become more stagnated and boring. To me it is more interesting to see different squads in the Spring than you do in the fall. There are so many different competitive options now you cannot pinpoint all of them with one squad. Which to me is the way it should be you should not be able to perfectly predict what all of you opponents, or at least the majority, are going to play. I think this actually makes the winners a better player because they have to use their mind a lot more and prepare for a lot of different squads.

Now as to the Map part. I am not fond of the map Separation myself. But at least they have said , as far as i can tell, what maps will be legal at each event.

Sorry i could not find it in the thread.

Jonnyb815



This is exactly what i meant though too. Sometines the To has done everything that they possibly can to get as many people as they can, And still end up short because "Life" happens. To me they should not be penalized by that. Especially if it happened at the last minute. Now if the TO had not tried and had not gotten prize support, a venue, or even posted the tourney within a reasonable amount of time before hand, i can see whay they should be but in cases like this i do not think they should.

This game is in decline. Putting a limitation on competitive play based on player turn out would further turn the knife. I think that, in its current state, we should just make the best of what we have, and keep trudging forward as best as we can.

johnny, you don't play and can't even bother to look through a couple of threads to find info.

Why does this even bother you?

Go and play the living card game and have fun with all the excitement that having a game in production and supported by a company entails. We don't have the luxury of enticing people with lavish tourney awards because no-one is lining our pockets by buying anything.

People now play because they want to. If a person takes the time to set up a regional in a space, advertize it, get prize support off Eric or their own back and the event is during the lead up to gen con. Its a regional.
We are not in the golden age of minis, we are in its twilight and whoever takes the time and effort to play deserves whatever accolades and bragging rites they want. Its all there is left after the fun of playing.

Don't give me any crap that you would come back if such and such was different. You make claims that you could get more people playing but they are baseless.

You've taken your ball, have the decency to stay home with it.

Because the number of people playing SWM has dropped significantly. The v-sets have unquestionably done a fantastic service to prolonging the game but it can only do so much.

Moving forward perhaps people will gravitate more towards hosting tournaments that aren't specifically called a "Regional" but for the time being that seems to be the easiest way of getting people together to play. And as far as the prize of a Gen Con badge is concerned, do people even get one in advance of their "Regional" anyway? It seems like its normally just the cash to cover it, not the actual badge. Either way it doesn't matter. TO's can chose to do what they want for prize support the best they can based upon how many people they can draw.

I attended 3 "Regionals" this year and in all cases it was about the fun of the tournament and not the prize support or anything else.

Thanks to everyone still coming out for events!

+1 If you want ANYONE in this community to listen to anything you have to say, start playing in events. I've watched you over the past year complain about one thing or another, say you might show up for this or that event, then make some lame excuse and not show up. You are doing nothing to further the game, so there's no reason for you to stay.

It wasn't always this way. You were a good player at one time, and were working in our community. You won the largest regional ever and beat good competition to do it. I'm sure if you could manage to focus on enjoying the game and stop running your mouth about stupid stuff, we'd all like that Jonny back. But this Jonny? Move along.

I will Do whatever it takes to make sure we have 8 players at all regionals next year. If I have to personally drive out. Thats what it takes.

I will make an after afters video to put up on youtube and flyers.

There will new players part of this game and I will get it down at all costs.

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Its not even about maplists and vests. Its about how we have marketed this game in the last few years. Its not easy for old players and new players to find stuff.

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