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Why is Vader not considered a cyborg in SWM?
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He's should have been. Bad designing by WotC. He's the most famous cyborg in the Star Wars universe. Same reason Han should have had pilot.
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I disagree. Grievous is the most famous cyborg in SW. Vader just has some robotic limbs... Not enough to make him subject to Droid CE's and such... I do agree with the Pilot argument though.
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Lobot has 1 small robotic part on his head and he is a cyborg.
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Vader needs mechanical help to breathe. He should be a cyborg. My guess as to why not, is, that would make him weaker. (Ion Gun 20).
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I agree with Juice man. The only thing I thought might be the difference is that I thought that maybe you needed to have a mechanical device assist or be in-bedded into your brain to be a cyborg and Vader does not have that. For what it's worth, Wikipedia has Vader listed as a cyborg.
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Cyborg wasn't an ability when he was first made (no RS cyborgs), and after that they didn't want him exposed to the droid vulnerabilities.
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"he's more machine than man"- OWK
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I hear ya Lord, but cyborgs get CEs so I'm not sure what would hurt him by being a cyborg in the game.
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I think that he should probably be a cyborg, however it isn't the first word that comes to mind when I think of him. Grievous, however I think of as a cyborg because he uses his robotics more drastically. I guess we give Cyborg to people who use their mechanical parts in action. Grevious with his four arms, Lobot with his hooked up to a computer constantly, Bomarr Monks for holding their brains in jars. Whatever...
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juice man wrote:Vader needs mechanical help to breathe. He should be a cyborg. My guess as to why not, is, that would make him weaker. (Ion Gun 20). Ion Gun only affects non-living characters now.
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i would count someone as cyborg when the mechanical parts of body are essential to live. vader couldnt live without them, so hes cyborg ;P
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darthbinks1 wrote:I hear ya Lord, but cyborgs get CEs so I'm not sure what would hurt him by being a cyborg in the game. Maybe they didn't want him being repaired instead of healed. Bloo glossary of Cyborg: A Cyborg character counts as living and as both a Droid and a non-Droid. This means it benefits from effects that target Droids (such as Repair) in addition to other kinds of effects (such as Heal). However, a Cyborg character is also vulnerable to harmful effects that don't normally affect Droids (such as critical hits) as well as those that specify Droids only (such as Ion Gun +20). Cyborgs can be affected by commander effects.
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Well, at the time Cyborg originated, Ion Gun still affected them. They didn't exactly want Vader to hide from a cheap Jawa.
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pegolego wrote:I disagree. Grievous is the most famous cyborg in SW. Vader just has some robotic limbs... Not enough to make him subject to Droid CE's and such... I do agree with the Pilot argument though. I Disagree Pego Vader has more than enough cybernetic parts to count as a Cyborg. Luke Skywalker also has a cybernetic hand thus he also technically counts as a Cyborg, though not by the games standards. I do think Vader should be able to regain HP via Repair, and personally I play with Ion Gun effecting cyborgs. 
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+1 to Edi and Jak and I also Agree with GBmC that Vader was a Cyborg but that that wasn't what he was most known for 
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Personally I think there should be an Obi-Wan with an ability "More Machine than Man" which gives Vader Cyborg 
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Nice Hatton. Are we to see a custom obi soon? Only problem that I see is there is no down side to being a cyborg.
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I think I put it on a Ghost Obi-Wan I made once...
But I didn't realize Ion Gun didn't work on Cyborgs, that was my main thought in giving it to him.
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It should though. It disrupts technology and that would reek havoc on Vader's breathing.
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