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CCC week 19 Plo Koon, Republic Options
Deathwielded
Posted: Monday, November 25, 2013 2:58:17 PM
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Here are the Rules:
1. The character must be cannon and from the chosen faction. They can have affinity, but the character must start in the chosen faction.
2. You may update any existing versions you already have and/or create a new one. You may update/create several versions of the character but you must ultimately select 1 you wish to run with. (this must be done by the schedule below)
3. Place a hyperlink in this forum to make it easier to find your character. You can just post the stats or image here but if changes are needed it would be easier (and save space) if you just used a Hyperlink (If you don't know how to post Hyperlinks in a forum setting please ask and we will help you. It's not hard )
4. Please rate the characters in this contest, however don't be so base as to 1 bomb the other characters in this contest. This is a friendly contest, just have fun, be honest and do your best.
5. Voting will look like this: "I rated so-and-so(A) an 8, so-and-so(B) an 9, and so-and-so(C) a 7. My vote goes to so-and-so(B). (this vote counts as 1 point) Please feel free to comment on why you made your choice, (what you liked) or not and just put your scores.
6. Too make things fair you must vote in order to win the contest. You must vote for all characters entered in the contest and you may not rate or vote for your own character.
7. The character that is rated the highest in the Bloo Milk rating system will receive a bonus of 2 points. The winner will be decided by how many points they receive (for example: so-and-so(B) received 3 individual votes and received the bonus 2 for being the highest rated character for a total of 5 points)
8. you may not change or update the entered character AFTER the deadline (from Tuesday-Thursday you may get advice and change your character accordingly) Friday at midnight before any votes are cast is the deadline.

The schedule will be like this: Monday the winner of last weeks CCC will announce his choice for the character (including his faction), from Tuesday till Friday characters can be created/updated but on Friday you must have picked one character to submit. Then voting will be held on Saturday, Sunday and Monday until 4, Monday night the winner will be announced and the next character picked.
Deathwielded
Posted: Monday, November 25, 2013 3:04:18 PM
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Here is my entry (I had a good version of him already doneThumpUp)
Plo Koon, Master of the Elements
I originally made him as a follower version of Plo Koon, JM for a particular squad. Ultimately he found a different direction.
pegolego
Posted: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:28:25 PM
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YUSSS! I needed an excuse to make this guy. Great choice, Prestige! My favorite Jedi probably is Plo Koon.
Deathwielded
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pegolego wrote:
YUSSS! I needed an excuse to make this guy. Great choice, Prestige! My favorite Jedi probably is Plo Koon.

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that. What makes him your favorite?
AndyHatton
Posted: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:46:18 PM
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I'm also a fan of Plo Koon, he is just cool! Plus he was in Jedi Power Battles :D

Here is one I did a while back that I like. I wanted to make a follower Plo that could compete with the rather solid Plo, JM we have.

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/15659/plo-koon--high-council-member
Deathwielded
Posted: Monday, November 25, 2013 5:38:55 PM
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AndyHatton wrote:
I'm also a fan of Plo Koon, he is just cool! Plus he was in Jedi Power Battles :D

Here is one I did a while back that I like. I wanted to make a follower Plo that could compete with the rather solid Plo, JM we have.

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/15659/plo-koon--high-council-member

Jedi Power Battles!Woot one of my alltime favorite ps1 games ever!
Lord_Ball
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CerousMutor
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poppins88
Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:45:01 PM
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Here's my attempt at an entry (I've never entered one of these before, so hopefully I did it right):

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/16799/plo-koon--cs-redux-
pegolego
Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 4:18:25 PM
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http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/16800/general-plo-koon--champion-of-the-force

There's my entry. I tried to do A LOT with this piece, but to make sure he fit in a duo with my Tyvvoka.
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Deathwielded
Posted: Sunday, December 1, 2013 9:37:08 AM
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Alright 7 entries!

Deathwielded's Plo Koon, Master of the Elements my own version

AndyHatton's Plo Koon, High Council Member Force Lightning 2 may be the way to go to represent Electric Judgement. (instead of makeing a new FP that does close to the same) A power house opportunist, While I understand why you want to keep him as a follower (mine is a follower ;) ) I do think he would should cost more since he isn't a commander, Evade, Speed 8, GMA and GOWK's stat boosts put him over the top. I would cost him around the range of Corran Horn, Jedi Master so 60+ even though at first look Corran has better stuff Koon has a much better boosts in the Republic. 9.25

Lord_Ball's Plo Koon, Hero of the Republic good ol Shien Style, plus Force Whirlwind fits good. Lol Rough Justice, works good with him and it's good that your glossery makes it so Tarples CE won't make it over the top. I think its good. 8.5

CerousMutor's Plo Koon, Jedi Battle Master I think if we were going for a single attack Plo Koon you got it right with Mighty Swing+20 and Overwhelming Force. There is currently too much on this character so he could easily be split into two versions (one as the battlemaster and the other a Baran Do sage version) Blade Amplifier and Blade Extender could be two great boosts and are a great representation of Jedi Power Battles. Shien Style Mastery could be down graded IMO. Camaradie has a great benefit (especially for Windu) but shouldn't have a range limit. your version of Electric Judgement is good, but needs a save for the stunning effect. Anya-seff could get dropped it needs a good amount of work. As is, 8, but has the potential of being a really great piece like 9.5 great.

pegolego's Plo Koon, Champion of the Force I kinda wish this version had MotF2 so he could stun with Lightning 1, but oh well. Shien Style and Breath Mask are perfect. Pliot would be much better if he was a follower, but I understand why you gave him a CE (it's a good CE with good representation) I almost want to recommend giving him Willing to Serve, but that would put him over the top with GOWK, maybe if his defense was lowered... Really though with Shien and a single attack he doesn't need to benefit from the Klat Captain anyway. 9

poppins88's Plo Koon (CS Redux)
I'm glad to have you join our contest poppins88! So we are creating new versions of a character so your version would need a different name. This is a good update for Plo Koon, though I would suggest either Pilot or Lightsaber Reflect, Advanced Force Strike is good, but needs Usable only during this characters turn; right after the force cost.
not a bad version at all. (I would also recommend Double Attack, but Master Yoda can still help with that) 8.25

saber1's Master Plo Koon Very powerful, powerhouse version. Awesome at ranged defense! Go ahead shot at him, I dare ya, or come on get adjacent, I dare ya! Very potent mix of abilities (Force Pull doesn't work with Jedi Reflexes, but I think you know that already) I would say this is the version Maul wanted to fight so great job with representation! I do think for all he brings to the table, plus GOWK's synergy he should cost at least 10 points more, he is so strong, I love it! 9.5

Well I have to say that I really like each of these versions of Plo Koon and now I can't wait for a new V-set version!
It's very hard to pick between Andyhatton or Saber1 in this contest. If CerousMutor's version turned out like I think it should his would have gotten my vote, but as is... Darn this is so hard! Andy's gets my vote.
poppins88
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Deathwielded’s Plo Koon, Master of the Elements – The representation of Plo feels spot-on here, except for maybe Teras Kasi, although I think it’s probably fine. I like the idea of Cloud Cover from the Yinchorri Uprising storyline and the mechanic is obviously well thought out. My one gripe is how potentially overpowered he could easily get between all of the great Republic CE’s and the CE’s available to Pilots with Teras Kasi and LS Reflect being bolstered by Evade and GOWK’s stat boosts.Perhaps a slight cost increase would be appropriate. Still, very good representation going on here. 9.
AndyHatton’s Plo Koon, High Council Member – Everything feels exactly like Plo. Fun, beatstick version Plo that I would totally play. I feel the costing here is pretty accurate as well. 9.25
Lord_Ball’s Plo Koon, Hero of the Republic – This one takes a different approach to Plo, which I like a lot. Rough Justice looks like tons of fun, I was a bit concerned by it at first, but I think it works well. I kind of wish he costed more and had Renewal 1, because Rough Justice on him won’t be super useful. As a CE’ hough, it’s great. 9.
CerousMutor’s Plo Koon, Jedi Battle Master – Another unique approach to Plo, although I think it could stand to be split into two separate versions, like Deathwielded suggested. However, the ideas in the custom are excellent (although Anya-Seff could probably use some work). I especially like the representation from Jedi Power Battles, an excellent and underappreciated game and Camaraderie is excellent. A very cool single attacking Jedi. 8.5.
pegolego’s Plo Koon, Champion of the Force – I very much like the CE on this one to give those clones some extra survivably for cheap and your version of Shien Style. It works well. 8.75
saber1’s Master Plo Koon – A tough beatstick Plo for sure, tough to take down from range and up close. His interaction with some Republic commanders like GOWK scares me, I would maybe suggest a stat boost and a CE to make him a non-follower, maybe lowering his cost a little bit as a result. However, still an awesome beatstick representation of Plo. 8.75

AndyHatton and Lord_Ball’s versions ended up being my favorite Plos, but my vote goes to Lord_Ball for the cool Rough Justice ability he created as well as the way it could benefit many different Republic pieces. It’s funny, I didn’t really realize how subpar Wizos’ Plo Koons were until this contest and I now really want a V-Set Plo with some of these ideas.
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Plo Koon, Jedi Battle Master by CerousMutor
I'm not familiar with Jedi Power Battles so take my comments with a grain of salt. SSM is an established ability so seeing a very similar custom version is a detractor. Anya-Seff is pretty cool, like an advancement of Force Withdrawal. Electric Judgement makes sense as worded. The Lightsaber abilities are all interesting but don't feel like Plo Koon, so far as I know. 8

Master Plo Koon by saber1
No comment.

Plo Koon, Champion of the Force by pegolego
Great choice of subtitle! I like all of your chosen special abilities, though I'm not fond of him lacking multiple attacks. Had you given him Unleashed, or some other mechanism for using multiple Force powers per turn I would have found him more useful (and more befitting his flavor text). Also, it is an odd choice to add a new version of a character only 2 points cheaper than 1 of the existing 2 versions. I'd like to see more variation to allow for a greater diversity of squads with the character. 8.5

Plo Koon, Hero of the Republic by Lord_Ball
Rough Justice turned out to be a very compelling ability. With Force Pull, he effectively gains Triple Attack, an interaction I like. Due to the requirement of Force points, he remains balanced at his price. The lack of Force Renewal encourages the use of ghosty Quiggy, another nice interaction. The CE may prove problematic with Mas Amedda and the army of potential beneficiaries. Still, this is a very interesting and well sorted piece. 9

Plo Koon, Master of the Elements by Deathwielded
Pilot on a follower version is a welcome addition and Evade gained from the KlatCap pairs very well with TKS. Cloud Cover is very cool and the rest looks appropriate for the character. He's a bit spendy for his damage output but that is mitigated (at least in part) by defense and tech. 9

Plo Koon (CS Redux) by poppins88
A update of an existing piece may not fit the spirit of the contest, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Breath Mask is a nice addition, one many of us identified as an obvious oversight on previous versions. Electric Judgement in concept, and in function as you've worded it, is so similar to Force Lightning that I wonder whether it warrants its own named power. Shien Style might have been more useful than Djem So. 8

Plo Koon, High Council Member by AndyHatton
This is a very well sorted piece that serves as a nice escalation of the current Vset offering. While there isn't much "wow" factor here, I can't find much to criticize either. Being a pilot and follower offers some fun squad synergies. 9

Its another squeaker...think I'll give my vote for Lord_Ball's Plo Koon, Hero of the Republic.
Lord_Ball
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Deathwielded, Master of the Elements 8.75
Looks really good, though I'm not keen on Teras Kasi here (doesn't feel right for this version), and I think Cloud Cover should have been something more like "target character(ally or enemy including this character) and characters within 6 have cover against non-adjacent enemies until this characters next turn" rather than a chosen square simply because it'd stay more in line with how everything else operates.

AndyHatton, High Council Member 9
Lots of +10 Damage here. Djem So Mastery is probably a bit over the top here, with Opportunist and LS Precision and he's hitting back at +18 for 50 Damage. Other than that I really like this one.

CerousMutor, Jedi Battle Master 8.75
Electric Judgement should probably have a save for the activation part. I like your Blade abilities, though I think Amplifier would be best served on about a 30 point figure. Definitely a new Friend for R2, Astro with his Overwhelming Mighty Whirlwind Attack.

poppins88 (CS Redux) 8.5
definitely an upgrade of the CS version which is clearly what you were going for - so success there. I also like how Electric Judgement is a pricey Force Power for what it offers.

pegolego, Champion of the Force 8.5
Another single Attack version - several Force options, but nothing that really flows together. I think Opportunist would work great here. The CE is rather underwhelming so unless there is a specific scenario or something you're trying to capture I'd see about going with something else, perhaps order 66 gain opportunist to go with his Force Stun.

saber1, Master Plo 9
very well rounded version - decent Damage potential, good defensive options, and a follower to boot.


Interesting that there were a couple "high cost" single attackers, granted they come with a bag of other tricks to balance out the cost. saber1 gets my vote
pegolego
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@Lord Ball: Yeah, I didn't want to add opportunist because he already has like 13 abilities and isn't meant to attack that often. As far as the CE, there WAS a specific tendency I was trying to represent, but I couldn't really think of a good way to do it better than what I had (I considered like Avoid Defeat, but that would've made his cost skyrocket, ESPECIALLY with Yoda allowing rerolls).

@saber1, thanks for the tips (he was definitely a difficult character to design, and your tips were helpful). I'm not sure I really understand that last bit about his cost being close to the other one as in most cases this isn't something I consider important (is there a specific reason? I am thinking he may need drastic overhaul at this point anyway, so if there is it would be something else to consider).

@poppins88, congratulations on your first entry! And thanks; I believe my Shien style was actually the first one on bloomilk (at this point I can't really verify it, but it is on several character at this point, and Plo is the only piece I've made that I actually kept it on), and was made way back before the Shien Mastery was released in v-sets (I found it interesting how they used the same mechanic and escalation that I planned, so I guess I did a pretty good job with it or something lol).

@Deathwielded: Thanks for the tip. When I redesign him, MotF will probably be an important thing to add. Yes, the GOWK synergy and other things were brought up I believe by saber1 or signer as synergies that would break him for his cost, so I changed his camaraderie type ability for Order 66 to a CE per their suggestion.


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Deathwielded wrote:
pegolego wrote:
YUSSS! I needed an excuse to make this guy. Great choice, Prestige! My favorite Jedi probably is Plo Koon.

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that. What makes him your favorite?


I've just been attached to him since before I knew much about him. He looked awesome, and still does, and to this day has traits that make him my favorite jedi. Oh, and some know-it-all from church who had seen RotS told me he was Grievous brother when I was like 6 Confused Angry

ANYWAY:

Plo Koon, Master of the Elements (Deathwielded) 8
His elemental abilities is a cool route to take with this custom. I think the abilities you chose fit. I think he has the potential to drop FAST for today's game, and maybe not enough FP to justify so many 2 FP abilities. On Electric Judgment, who is making the save? The attacker I assume? Personally, I had opted for the simplicity of FL1 from what I had known about EJ. Smokescreen: I like the idea of just making everything low objects to give cover from the screen. Not a bad entry overall. There's a lot to like here.

Plo Koon, High Council Member (Andy Hatton) 8
A very different Plo from the others I've seen so far (that's what I love about this guy as a CCC choice; so many different options for him). This seems to focus on his dueling abilities and power near the end of his life. I like the ability selections (same stats as Plo Koon, JM I think; is that intentional or just a coincidence? I've seen a lot of that in this contest; those are good mid-to-high stat ranges so that could be why). I see a problem though: The ability to hit back on a melee attack for 80+ damage, possibly shrug off the attack with Defense, plus pilot synergies and the all-time-evil GOWK synergy... I think standard Djem So would be enough for one thing.

Plo Koon, Hero of the Republic (Lord Ball) 9
Very interesting ability selection, I love it. Rough Justice works great on this character, and fits well too. As far as giving Rough Justice to all Republic followers, I worry about some more high-end pieces getting off a Sweep (or a Mace Windu Whirlwind Attack) and then making 3 more attacks or whatever, since the source only costs 39.

Plo Koon, Jedi Battle Master (CerousMutor) 7
The blade abilities (not sure what they represent?) need just a tad of cleaning up (the +10 I assume is Damage?), but I like what they do overall. Master of the Force with 4 force points... I would normally think that was a bad idea, but with the Shien style Mastery you added (which, in all honesty is broken; you should use the v-set version of SSM that is already standing). I think I like your Electric Judgment. Overall, this is definitely a though Plo to balance.

Plo Koon (CS Redux) (poppins88) 8
A nice, simple Plo (I don't think I've seen a Redux miniature before, at least in this contest). Honestly, Force Strike should replace attacks. 60 automatic unavoidable damage a turn to someone's Grievous/X-1 Viper droid is mean. Well, it is only on 1 piece I guess, so an uncommon matchup. That's just my biased opinion because I like Droids anyway LOL. Now, I'm still not sure I would take this in a squad very often, but I definitely believe it's more useful than the WotC offering.

Master Plo Koon (saber1) 9
Becomes a defensive monster with GOWK, so I'm still a bit wary of Shien Style Mastery on this piece, but honestly, if anyone deserves it it's good old Plo Wink. Twin is powerful on this piece, but also a bit of a restrictor. I really like how this piece tuned out overall. Playtesting is the only thing that will be able to tell if he's balanced defensively (imo).

And I'm torn between saber and LB's version, but I believe I'm giving my vote to saber1 this week BigGrin

Great job everybody! Did Prestige Worldwide not get to enter? Crying
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pegolego wrote:
Deathwielded wrote:
pegolego wrote:
YUSSS! I needed an excuse to make this guy. Great choice, Prestige! My favorite Jedi probably is Plo Koon.

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that. What makes him your favorite?


I've just been attached to him since before I knew much about him. He looked awesome, and still does, and to this day has traits that make him my favorite jedi. Oh, and some know-it-all from church who had seen RotS told me he was Grievous brother when I was like 6 Confused Angry

lol funny how we can easily be mislead when we are young.
He does look like he could be Grevious' brother though...
those Star Wars "know-it-alls" are quite funny, they say "I know everything about star wars" then you ask questions and the answers are hilarious! My brother asked one guy who was bragging, "who is Kyle Katarn" and no joke the guy answered the Emperor from the movies!
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Deathwielded wrote:
pegolego wrote:
Deathwielded wrote:
pegolego wrote:
YUSSS! I needed an excuse to make this guy. Great choice, Prestige! My favorite Jedi probably is Plo Koon.

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that. What makes him your favorite?


I've just been attached to him since before I knew much about him. He looked awesome, and still does, and to this day has traits that make him my favorite jedi. Oh, and some know-it-all from church who had seen RotS told me he was Grievous brother when I was like 6 Confused Angry

lol funny how we can easily be mislead when we are young.
He does look like he could be Grevious' brother though...
those Star Wars "know-it-alls" are quite funny, they say "I know everything about star wars" then you ask questions and the answers are hilarious! My brother asked one guy who was bragging, "who is Kyle Katarn" and no joke the guy answered the Emperor from the movies!


HAHAHAHAHAHA LOL LOL LOL
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pegolego wrote:
Plo Koon, Hero of the Republic (Lord Ball) 9
Very interesting ability selection, I love it. Rough Justice works great on this character, and fits well too. As far as giving Rough Justice to all Republic followers, I worry about some more high-end pieces getting off a Sweep (or a Mace Windu Whirlwind Attack) and then making 3 more attacks or whatever, since the source only costs 39.


There's definitely a few interactions that would need thorough testing, unfortunately Mace, JM still wouldn't see play since Whirlwind Attack replaces turn instead of attacks Sad.
The other thing to keep in mind is that Rough Justice doesn't grant extra attacks, so if the character moves to use Sweep/Assault/etc. they'd only get to make 1 additional attack unless they also have GMA. If the enemy is already adjacent to a LS Assualter well that was just bad luck or poor planning on their part.

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