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CCC Week 34 Jacen Solo, Galactic Hero, Philosopher and Jedi. (new Republic) Options
Deathwielded
Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:29:48 PM
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Here are the Rules:
1. The character must be cannon and from the chosen faction. They can have affinity, but the character must start in the chosen faction.
2. You may update any existing versions you already have and/or create a new one. You may update/create several versions of the character but you must ultimately select 1 you wish to run with. (this must be done by the schedule below)
3. Place a hyperlink in this forum to make it easier to find your character. You can just post the stats or image here but if changes are needed it would be easier (and save space) if you just used a Hyperlink (If you don't know how to post Hyperlinks in a forum setting please ask and we will help you. It's not hard )
4. Please rate the characters in this contest, however don't be so base as to 1 bomb the other characters in this contest. This is a friendly contest, just have fun, be honest and do your best.
5. Voting will look like this: "I rated so-and-so(A) an 8, so-and-so(B) an 9, and so-and-so(C) a 7. My vote goes to so-and-so(B). (this vote counts as 1 point) Please feel free to comment on why you made your choice, (what you liked) or not and just put your scores.
6. Too make things fair you must vote in order to win the contest. You must vote for all characters entered in the contest and you may not rate or vote for your own character.
7. The character that is rated the highest in the Bloo Milk rating system will receive a bonus of 2 points. The winner will be decided by how many points they receive (for example: so-and-so(B) received 3 individual votes and received the bonus 2 for being the highest rated character for a total of 5 points)
8. you may not change or update the entered character AFTER the deadline (from Tuesday-Thursday you may get advice and change your character accordingly) Friday at midnight before any votes are cast is the deadline.

The schedule will be like this: Monday the winner of last weeks CCC will announce his choice for the character (including his faction), from Tuesday till Friday characters can be created/updated but on Friday you must have picked one character to submit. Then voting will be held on Saturday, Sunday and Monday until 4, Monday night the winner will be announced and the next character picked.
pegolego
Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:11:09 AM
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AndyHatton
Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:24:55 AM
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I'm leaning to:

Student of the Force
edited with choice
General_Grievous
Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:29:51 PM
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Here is my creation, went for the tech support force beast option:

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/17883/master-solo
saber1
Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:30:48 PM
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Here's my entry:

Jacen Solo, Jedi

BTW, where'd all the customizers go?
Deathwielded
Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014 7:46:01 PM
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saber1
Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:23:51 PM
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As I missed voting last week, I thought I'd better get a jump on it this go-round. Without further ado...

Jacen Solo, Servant of the Force by pegolego 9.25
This is a nice, solid melee alternative to the existing versions of the character. He has very good damage output for 44 points. Factor in a useful and diverse bag of Force tricks (not to mention Evade) and he seems like a bargain.

Jacen Solo, Student of the Force by AndyHatton 9.25
65 points demands he brings a lot to the table and he certainly doesn't disappoint. Esoteric Force User feels more accurate than Force Ascetic. Student of the Force gives him the potential to be incredibly adaptable, but the risk is significant and warranted. Theran Force-Listening turned out nicely and pairs with SotF to make him a crazy Swiss Army Knife. Light Sphere is just flavorful and fun while Fold Space gives him a really good movement breaker.

Master Solo by General Grievous 9
Don’t forget, at some point, to add, “Counts as Jacen Solo” to him. What he lacks in abilities he more than makes up for in Force powers, though Intuition shouldn’t be underestimated. Aing-Tii Flow Walking is a nice addition to the faction, as is Force Barrier. Shatterpoint gives me a case of the “mehs” but it should be more useful with the aforementioned A-TFL. Force Flash is flavorful and very handy against those pesky Sep droids. However, I think you meant “living enemies within 6 squares have -4 attack”. As is, he hinders his squadmates.

Jacen Solo, Jedi by saber1
Made from Florida oranges.

Jacen Solo, Philosopher of the Force by Deathwielded 9
Quick Learner looks familiar and is quite befitting of Jacen. Shien Style is an interesting choice. Was it his stated style? I’ll have to go hit up wookieepedia. I like Light Tutor here and it’s a nice addition to the faction. Dark Crucitorn is cool but is a bit ill-fitting here. He already has renewal and only two ways to spend Force, three if you include moving an additional 2 squares. I might have started him with Force 3, perhaps 4 if I wanted to be crazy, and dropped renewal. With 130 HP he can afford to take damage a few times. Great CE!


AndyHatton's piece has so much going on that it almost feels like an overwhelming buffet with so many cool options you begin to wonder if its so much tasty goodness that its somehow become wrong. I'll err on the side of no, its just a lot of awesome. With a couple of built-in limitations and low stats for his cost Jacen Solo, Student of the Force looks reasonably balanced and earns my vote.
Deathwielded
Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:24:25 PM
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I'm going to vote tonight, but I won't be able to post the results probably until tuesday.
Deathwielded
Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:56:31 PM
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pegolego's Jacen Solo, Servant of the Force 9,9.25,9,9.5,9.25 BlooMilk for an average of 9.2

AndyHatton's Jacen Solo, Student of the Force 9.25,9.25,8.75,8.7,8.5 BlooMilk BlooMilk for an average of 8.89


General_Grievous' Master Solo 8.5,9,8.25,9,8 for an average of 8.55


saber1's Jacen Solo, Jedi 8,9,8.8,10,9 BlooMilk BlooMilk for an average of 8.96


Deathwielded's Jacen Solo, Philosopher of the Force 9,8.75,8.6,9,9 BlooMilk for an average of 8.87

The highest rated character overall this week is... Pegolego's Jacen Solo, Servant of the Force!
and so Pegolego pulls out the win with one individual vote and the two BlooMilk BlooMilk he got from being the most well received overall.
Congrats Pego!
saber1
Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:21:23 PM
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Deathwielded wrote:
saber1's Jacen Solo, Jedi 8
Beast Tamer definitly fits him, though I can't see many of the NR hero's riding beasts. What happened to Sibling Bond? I thought it allowed him and Jaina to share force powers? (which I thought was awesome) as is the wording is confusing, I really don't really get it. the earliest representation and thus the weakest in terms of power I think at the point cost he's pretty decent.


Sibling Bond (For purposes of special abilities, Force powers and commander effects on allies with Solo in their name (including this character) you may choose to count the distance from any of those characters)

This allows any of the Solo kids to count the distance from themselves or any other Solo kid when determining range for a CE, special ability of Force power. Anakin can count 6 squares from Jacen when using Unleash the Force 60 or Synergy, Jaina can count 6 from Anakin for her synergy and they can count 6 from whichever one is in range of a commander effect. Think of it as a Relay Orders that's specific in targets but broad in application. Its the original version, perhaps you are thinking of someone else's entry?

Beast Tamer would be hugely, pun intended, helpful in the NR. It would help Luke GH pull off Lightsaber Throw 3 or give Mara Jade greater range for increased alpha strike potential.
Lord_Ball
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:24:42 AM
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I wasn't able to enter this week since I couldn't figure out what I wanted to do with Jacen (and then I forgot about it) but here's my ratings regardless

pegolego, Servant of the Force 9
pretty cool mix of established abilities, though I think swapping triple for double to drive down the cost would make him much more useful overall.

AndyHatton, Student of the Force 8.75
Quite the bag of tricks, but for his cost he feels a bit more gimmicky than I care for.

Master General_Greivous 8.25
a bit overloaded with Force Powers. Aing-Tii Flow Walking + Shatterpoint is potentially an interesting combination though.

saber1, Jedi 9
fairly simple design, and the limited swap CE is pretty cool.

Deathwielded, Philosopher of the Force 8.75
Quicklearner is pretty cool, I'd like Dark Crucitorn better if he didn't have renewal, as then as the player of him it would become possible that you'd want to get him damaged (preferably by the weak hitters), as is it's just a bonus and therefore fairly lackluster.

saber1 gets my vote
General_Grievous
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 11:13:34 AM
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PegoLego, Servant of the Force
I like it, simple off the shelf abilities. Appropriate to the character. Goes great with Sword of The Jedi. And my favourite is that it doesn't take anything away from the other Jacen pieces. 9.5

AndyHatton's Jacen Solo, Student of the Force
Love this beatstick, though I liked the pre-edited more force points version.
Great job on the force powers each and every one is perfect. I was thinking of a con artists ability for Theran and you basically created what I was planning on haha.
Only thing I am not sure if I like is student of the force. It is balanced but it kind of pits a damper on future New Republic pieces epic force powers. Maybe changing it to "with a cost of 2 or less" or "not including force abilities" would leave options open for more intense force powers on New Republic pieces. For example, as it stands the New Republic may not be able to have a character with force shield as it would make this character imbalanced. Same with other potential force abilities. Otherwise great piece 8.7


General_Grievous' Master Solo
This was my attempt at a early Legacy version where he has lots of knowledge but also a master-padawan relationship with Ben.


Saber1's Jacen Solo, Jedi

Man this piece takes me back to those books I enjoyed as a kid. Great job on the overall design of this one. Only thing I don't really think is clear is what exactly sibling bond does. Can Jacen throw Grenades from Jaina's square across the board? Or be healed by another solo equally as far? I don't really understand this one. Other than that though the rest of the character shines and is only missing a classic "Jacen joke" haha 8.8


Deathwielded's Jacen Solo, Philosopher of the Force

Quick Learner could get pretty tricky to keep track of very quick. But I like that it is lessened to abilities that cost 2 or less (no battle meditation thank goodness haha)
Light tutor and loner are great fits. Also not sure how I feel about his CE. I don't really see how it fits him. Also they have Dodonna already. And maybe if it was more Mar Tuuk's CE I would find it balanced. It is pretty slick though. 8.6

Great but limited selection this week, going to give it to Pego for making the piece that is unique, simple and seems like the counterpart to vset Jaina
AndyHatton
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 12:23:41 PM
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Jacen Solo, Servant of the Force by Pegolego: 9.25
A Nice solid different Jacen. Anticipation and Surprise Move are both nice additions to Jacen's move set and welcome in the NR (Plus nice precursors to Jacen's other more intense time warpery Force Powers!.) Nice Stats and pretty good damage output with cunning and easy access to GMA 2 different ways. (plus the Surprise Move move gives him a nice strike depth) I like it.

Master Solo by General_Grievous: 9
Sorry I meant to mention in my comments to make sure it is made clear that this is Jacen in the unique line. Obviously it isn't a big deal for the contest, but I just wanted to remind you. I like Flow Walking and Shatterpoint, it is an interesting combo that might actually bring some use to Shatterpoint, all of the powers are cool and flavorful.

Jacen Solo, Jedi by Saber1: 10
I don't know if I can add much more than I did in the comments. I love what he does for the point cost fitting in nicely between the NR Jacens, I love the Young Jedi Knight and Solo Sibling (sounds like a band name!) flavor and how they work together. Really really cool and would actually open up sort of a YJK subfaction which I would be PERFECTLY ok with since they are my favorite! love it.

Jacen Solo, Philosopher of the Force: 9
I like Shien Style on Jacen, it fits him, and Dark Crucitorn and Light Tutor are both nice cool abilities for Jacen. Light Force Powers makes sense with Quick Learner, not 100% sold on the CE just cause I don't know if the NR NEEDS another form of Tempo Control, but overall very nice and I like it.

vote goes to saber1
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 1:02:22 PM
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General_Grievous wrote:
AndyHatton's Jacen Solo, Student of the Force
Love this beatstick, though I liked the pre-edited more force points version.
Great job on the force powers each and every one is perfect. I was thinking of a con artists ability for Theran and you basically created what I was planning on haha.
Only thing I am not sure if I like is student of the force. It is balanced but it kind of pits a damper on future New Republic pieces epic force powers. Maybe changing it to "with a cost of 2 or less" or "not including force abilities" would leave options open for more intense force powers on New Republic pieces. For example, as it stands the New Republic may not be able to have a character with force shield as it would make this character imbalanced. Same with other potential force abilities. Otherwise great piece 8.7



Thank you for the kind words :D The only thing I took off was Sense the Future, and while it fits Jacen I agreeed with Saber1 that he just felt bottom heavy and wasn't contributing a lot offensively...it was an ability I felt comfortable losing, it would have been great to use to set up his other Force Powers but I just don't know if he needed that.

I understand your concern, but I based the ability heavily on Jorus C'baoth's Mind Meld (the wording is basically identical.) And while there are some obvious differences and limitations either way, only Jacen is benefiting here not a whole batch of Jedi...Jacen's high cost is a rival in a way since he won't be on a squad with a whole bunch of other strong Force Users and the BIG thing that keeps him in check is Esoteric Force User, you start using Student of the Force a lot and you are going to be making a lot of rolls. Save 6 might not seem too hard but if you have to make it 3 or 4 turns in a row with no Force Rerolls you are going to start to sweat. And then obviously his other big limitation is Force Points, he is going to build them up pretty quick but if he wants to do something huge a few turns in a row his options are going to be drained very very quickly.

Personally I think the way to use him is to grab a CE early, keep him back a little bit, maybe Launch someone at the enemy with Fold Space, build up his Force Points and then fire himself at the enemy and do something big. He isn't a defensive titan like Caedus, Sith Lord and for so many points I think at that point he will have a big ole target on his head and probably won't last too long but hopefully he did enough damage to make it count.
pegolego
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:44:15 PM
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Jacen Solo, Student of the Force (AndyHatton) 8.5
A solid entry. I like most of the custom SA/FP you introduce here, creative stuff :). I could see Force-Listening getting a bit out of hand, except that I think this piece is honestly overcosted. He does have a wild-factor potential, though, so better safe than sorry.

Master Solo (General_Grievous) 8
Very cool piece, with interesting ability selection. Only 4 SA spots while LOTS of Force Powers on the overall-stacked card, very suiting to the character, methinks.

Jacen Solo, Jedi (saber1) 9
I like Sibling Bond (the wording could use a touch of work). Beast Tamer is a powerful new ability that is only in 1 faction so far, and this guy seems to have more tricks than Tott, but is considerably more fragile... I don't think there is an issue giving NR the ability. There are lots of powerful Solo pieces that would benefit greatly from his CE (hopefully not too much).

Jacen Solo, Philosopher of the Force (Deathwielded) 9
I'm not sure about your Shien Style, and Cruticorn is cool, but perhaps not really necessary. Clever CE, fits your character very nicely.

Deathwielded gets my vote this week BigGrin
Deathwielded
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 6:33:46 AM
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Gosh darn it!!!!
I don't know why but I post I created with the results is missing!!! I have to leave for work, but suffice to say the winner this week was Pegolego. Congrats Pego!
AndyHatton
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 6:36:56 AM
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It looks like you edited your voting post to post the results, they are a few posts up in this thread.
pegolego
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 6:42:15 AM
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I'll be thinking about next week's character, guys.... Wink
General_Grievous
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:03:11 AM
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Nice congrats pego
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Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:47:32 AM
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Congrats pegolego, a nice dynamic duo with Jaina piece, here's hoping I find some inspiration for the next round.
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