@empirejeff,
oh ho, those kinds of trek v wars things... hahah
These are funny to watch, though the production value is... yes, these are entertaining, in a 'so bad its good' type of way for me.
I've seen several of these sorts of things before, though I hadn't seen your second link before. Thanks for sharing!
It all depends on how one cherry picks the respective fictional histories to find example to base comparison on...
Maybe we should BM, facebook or email more to waffle on that?
By the by, What did you think of 'react to that'?
the Elders React to Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life... priceless!
(That event is canon, by the way. It happened, you can't unwatch it...
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Kids reacting to rotary phones and old school computers; that should be mandatory learning in 'Big History' Class, dangit!
The evolution of technology. They dont have to get entirely how it all works/worked, just that it took a lot of people a long time to come up with the awesome stuff we have today.
@ all
Back to the topic at hand,
If you've come across Michio Kaku's popular 'science' books,
he seems to suggest Star Wars oughta beat Star Trek using some maths...
mostly ERoEI, and extensions of that, via the energy the Death Star must have had on tap to chunkify Alderaan the highly energetic way it did... warpdrives/hyperdrives energy requirements notwithstanding...
(an aside, check out the math on the Natario/White Interferometry over at Eagleworks, that sure is some interesting stuff, how's about Ion Drives and the Hall Effect Thrusters).
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Myths/Nanotech.htmlThe Above website also agrees with Kaku, as does the website of the UTS guy who wrote all the DK books "Star Wars Incredible Cross Sections". 1 Xwing blast = ~2 star trek torpedoes. 1 Warsian Torpedo = ~10-20 Treksian torpedoes. 1 Deathstar Blast (on the setting used against Alderaan) = the power output of a few minutes of a main sequence star!
Trek Shields fail from a few indirect treksian phaser and torpedo blasts... You can't deny the sheer power of the star wars universe, even jedee willingly break the laws of thermodynamics at will... the amount of energy they can conjure up on command is extraordinary.
Star Wars must be based on some other tech/universe laws (so is further than a galaxy a long long time ago and far far away),
the power outputs are phenomenal. Even with the power creep brought to trek by Lost director Abrams
(an event known to hardcore scifi treksters as 'the corruption'), if star wars and star trek were to engage in combat that was anything other than hand to hand... Warsians'd tear through the star trek ships like they were tissue paper, I am loathe to say. A few turbolaser blasts, and the enterprise would blowup, let alone the overkill of a deathstar and a few hundred jedi with Tron-like light matter.
from a narratological or dramatological perspective,
Star Trek ought to win though, because they always find a way to outsmart or befriend any obstacle that gets in their way:
Janeway made an Alliance with the Borg,
at the end of DS9, the Feds, Klingons and Roms (and even some Cardassians) team up against the Dominion...
Star Trek would team up with the Jedees... and eventually they'd all live happily ever after.
Star trek's appeal is the pseudo-verisimilitude they aim to present (other films have done more justice, such as Apollo 13, 2001:ASO);
this optimistic Eutopian vision of the future as a Meliorist Paradise made real.
That, and in both franchises, the sheer number of aliens is awesome! The high levels of inter-species cooperation are awesome in those two franchises, as opposed to "Teenagers from Outer Space", War of the Worlds, Men in Black and "independence day" ; the dystopic view of space as being filled with creatures that want to kill us...
Has anyone seen the meme where Picard and Luke Skywalker meet,
and Picard says to Luke that Luke's made of antimatter and should mizzel off?
What about the Dr Who/Star Trek Comics crossover (that was referenced by the Live Action dr who show as having happened)?
Is Joseph Campbell's Monomyth coming true? Are we collapsing all the meaningfulness of our stories by blurring them all into a super-crossover?
Thank goodness for alternative readings and Personal Canon (via Roland Barthes, Amis and Stephen King); those crossovers never happened;
GI Joe and Transformers comics crossover never happened,
Scooby Doo and the Famous Five and the Fantastic Four and Sherlock Homes, 4 ways to Friday the ultimate crossover never happened.
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies did happen though; that was a much needed re-interpretation, and everything could turn zombie horror...
Do you get like this sometimes, where something has happened and people team-up or there's a crossover, when you feel they never should have? Whats worse is when the questionable event is 'officially canon' and actually happens or is referrenced repeatedly later on by other stories(so, mainstream producers made that project, and there is a seriousness to the production)
I'll never forget Marv Wolfman's reflection on the hatemail he copped over his involvement in Batman/Robin's character arcs...
'deal with it. if you don't like what comics has become, maybe you should put the comics down and move onto other things. Go outside and play, play with your kids, cherish your wife/life partner, do other things. Take up a new hobby. Don't threaten my life over just that [a trivial, non-obscenity related few panels in a comicbook series]' (for some context, Wolfman fought the Comicbook Code during McCarthyism, which prevented him from stating his name fully in the credits, and introduced some controversial stuff such as between Robin/Nightwing and Starfire, which people wanted to sue him over for 'obscenity' etc). Its thanks to people like Wolfman&Perez, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Kirby&Lieber, Bill S. Burroughs and Art Spiegelman and upright journalists and artists that we have something even remotely approaching freedom of reporting/freedom of speech (freedom of thought?) as we enjoy it today.
Circling back from that history waffle digression,
I think Wolfman is invoking the Barthes idea, the C'est une pipe idea, that we can make of things what we like, so long as those things aren't ostensibly causing any harm... (whatever 'harm' or 'indecency' is made to be on a situational basis).