ok, from my past experience, and my love for vong, and for the stupidity of the CE, is everyone sure that the yuuzhan vong subalterns Commander Effect doesnt effect the praetorite warrior, or the elite warrior? because it seems to me to read:

"allied yuuzhan vong warriors within six squares gain double attack."

this to me sounds reasonable, and fitting, but also mis-read. take warmaster tsavong lahs commander effect for example:

"allied yuuzhan vong who end their move within six squares gain momentum."

we therefore hit this problem, because both commander effects state that allied yuuzhan vong gain whatever ability. the only problem is, subaltern says that "only my warriors can gain this ability". does this neccissarily mean that it has to be only the characters that have the EXACT wording of "yuuzhan vong warrior" who are then allowed to gain this ability?

does this not mean that only the yuuzhan vong can benefit from this CE? i thought that this only meant that it was allied yuuzhan vong warriors who gained it, and not just some fringe warrior such as the utapaun warrior, or the aqualish warrior, seeing as they are not yuuzhan vong.

i think this is a very valid arguement, and someone please correct me if i am wrong.

thanks guys!!

exactly my point. haha.

What was the ruling in favor of? That it will work with Vong Elite Warriors?

Sadly, a correct ruling Wizards is so stupid about that stuff. Like what they did with IE Xizor. At first they ruled that his CE meant that only characters with the Black Sun special ability benefitted. However, the backlash from that move was so bad they reversed their call. It's a good thing they did; otherwise they would've obsoleted an otherwise fine piece on a freaking technicality.

I don't think you can assume that the general dismay of customers over Xizor had *nothing* to do with the errata. If everyone loved Xizor as is, and didn't say anything, would have an errata been made? Who knows.. but it seems unlikely.

That being said, while I have argued against this type of ruling, it is a game with rules. As much as they try to base this on the novels, comics, movies, etc.. some of the rules that make sense in certain situations doesn't in others, but those are the rules. There are still lots of ways to boost these new vong that do not involve the subaltern. And again, who knows.. maybe another errata will be made. There have been a lot of them lately.

That's an excellent point.

You are getting upset about a ruling made over a year ago. Yes, it is water under the bridge, as it isn't likely to be changed anytime soon. People have been getting upset with the rules since the beginning. This is just one of many examples. If you choose to ignore it at your kitchen table, that is your perogative. I will always prefer to play with the rules as written.

Just make sure you don't teach your 'house rules' to anyone else, passing them off as how the game is actually played. In the area I play in, we have problems with people whose understanding of the rules are clouded by scores of 'quick fixes'. In the end, the easiest way for everyone to learn the game is for everyone to play the same game, and trust the people who make the rules to govern fairly, which doesn't mean adopting all the little changes we would personally like to see made to the game, because if we all got to decide that at once, no two people would be playing the same game, and the game would be unplayable.




Leia was BORN Leia Amildala Skywalker, for the record, and she can wear whatever she wants.

And to make sure this post stays on the original topic, I also hope the Subaltern will get errata to apply to other warriors who are of the Yuzhan Vong race, though until and unless it does, it applies only to the specific named figure, as per the ruling.

Darth Jim... Sorry, I just read this... I have to say that is probably the best argument that I've heard so far in favor of the Subaltern. I had not considered the possiblity of it setting a precedent for other similarly worded minis. That does make sense. However, is there no other way that could have been handled in order to avoid a situation like we are in now? I don't know.

So, I guess now I'm torn on this issue. I'd like to see some errata that could possibly fix this mess... otherwise this argument will be brought up alot. And YES, I still think it needs to be fixed.

Thanks Jim... that's the kind of argument I needed to hear... everyone else is telling me to just accept it because it came from ROB and the descion was made along time ago. I'm sorry if I don't accept stuff just because ROB says it... I'm not close to the guy, and I don't feel the need to impress him... if he's right on something, I'll give him praise... However, if and when he's wrong on something... I'll call him on it... not just nod my head and say, "yes master"...

I'm not that beat up about the EYVW or PVW being able to Double/Twin. With all the other bonuses the YV get to attack/damage, they are solid enough with Twin. I think where the boat was missed with the Vong was in having some ANTI-Affinity to droids. Along with force immunity they should have added:

Droid Hunter (+4 and 10 against Droid enemies)

That would have been sweet.