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arrcot
Posted: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:17:58 PM
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did they really ban Gen obiwan from DCI play?
Boba Fettuccine
Posted: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:42:42 PM
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Where did you hear this rumor?
Jonnyb815
Posted: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:47:30 PM
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I dont know what your talking about. He is not banned from DCI play. WOTC/DCI have never banned figures from the SWM line. Here is a link for DCI
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/doccenter/home

I dont know where you heard he was banned but I have a regional next weekend and I am playing him in a DCI tournament. Who ever said he was banned is crazy. Banning figures is dumb why would that ever HAPPEN.
Vegeta1978
Posted: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:51:47 PM
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There's talk of him possibly getting banned from DCI games, but for now that's all it is-talk. When Boba,BH & Mas Ameda came out, people cried about them too & tried to get them banned. Over on swmgamers that seems to be all they're talking about right now days...
dalibins
Posted: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:38:17 PM
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That would be lame. I hate GOWK but dont feel he should banned. Its all just talk and its talk coming from whiners to boot.
joelker41
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:12:10 AM
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Jonnyb815 wrote:
I dont know what your talking about. He is not banned from DCI play. WOTC/DCI have never banned figures from the SWM line. Here is a link for DCI
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/doccenter/home

I dont know where you heard he was banned but I have a regional next weekend and I am playing him in a DCI tournament. Who ever said he was banned is crazy. Banning figures is dumb why would that ever HAPPEN.


My only response to this post Jonny:

BigGrin
DarthJak
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 1:38:48 AM
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Cursing IMO, we should ban 'em all!
but then again, I like banning stuffCrying
arrcot
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 1:39:04 AM
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ok cool thanks for clearing that up for me.
Shadowdragon
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:03:54 AM
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Guys, GOWK isn't as big a deal as everyone thinks. He may be 5 points underpriced, but woop-de-doo! He can be killed! He is not the most powerful thing in the game. WOTC would never ban him.
Volvagia14
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:28:51 AM
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Shadowdragon wrote:
Guys, GOWK isn't as big a deal as everyone thinks. He may be 5 points underpriced, but woop-de-doo! He can be killed! He is not the most powerful thing in the game. WOTC would never ban him.



agreed. I hate playing against him like anybody, but he is the last character I would want to see banned.
Gunn
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:00:32 AM
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Banning pieces is going to do nothing but ruin the game... and any tourny that bans any piece I refuse to play in.

If anyone thinks any piece is too good... then they are not a good enough player to beat it. Don't be lazy and ban him... come up with better gameplan to beat him.

GoWK has weaknesses. His biggest is once he runs out of Force he is not as powerful. Run Nihlus, he can steal Obi's Force... Or base him with Luke GM and watch Luke attack him 6 times... He can only use 3 force a turn max. You can slowly wear him down... or run CDoS, then he can't use his SSM. There are ways around him.

Is GoWK good... yes... is he unbeatable... Not at all. Remember when people thought Boba BH should be banned... You know what, I don't see him used all that much.

That is all I have to say about that.

imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:20:32 AM
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"... He can only use 3 force a turn max."
(he only has MOTF2...)
Vegeta1978
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:26:52 AM
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Plus, GMLS has MOTF2 as well, plus he can cancel GOWK's attempts to re-roll failed saves.
Chargers
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:03:39 AM
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Jonnyb815 wrote:
I dont know what your talking about. He is not banned from DCI play. WOTC/DCI have never banned figures from the SWM line. Here is a link for DCI
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/doccenter/home

I dont know where you heard he was banned but I have a regional next weekend and I am playing him in a DCI tournament. Who ever said he was banned is crazy. Banning figures is dumb why would that ever HAPPEN.




You're playing him in another regional? Huh
This coming from the guy who said he should be banned? Confused


Although there are some very strong figures that are prominent in the scene (temporarily or long-term), I don't believe in banning. But I do believe in finding ways to beat them. Not that I'm always successful as Jon knows.ThumpUp
markedman247
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:14:51 AM
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Vegeta1978 wrote:
Plus, GMLS has MOTF2 as well, plus he can cancel GOWK's attempts to re-roll failed saves.


Yes, but GMLS is virtually 2x the price. For 2x the price, GMLS SHOULD be able defeat GOWK. Look at what he brings to the Republic, compare that to units of the same cost, and then figure out why a 55 pt piece can do things that even 70+ pieces can't.

GOWK is 55 pts. If you compare him to GMLS, you realize that for the additional 60 pts GOWK can have Dash, 2 JWMs, or the Barris/Luminara combination. All with significant boosts.

Keep in mind, I have been on the fence for a long time. In fact, in 2 polls, I have voted a no and I am a Rules Advisor. However, the more evidence that comes out, the more it's a distinct possibility for Obi could be suspended indefinitely for performance enhancement.

There is so much wrong with GOWK:
1) Stackable Mettle (a potential +8 to saves if you burn 2 FPs)
2) A CE that, as I have seen put succintly, makes poor pieces good, good pieces great and great pieces fantastic.
3) Soresu Mastery which glorified Evade (without the drawback of adjacency) + Block without the use of a Force Point. This wasn't a problem if it was merely Block or merely Evade like the potential Luminara, but he is nigh unhittable if you are rolling hot. You don't have to worry about the AoOs that most pieces have to when they commit to an action.
4) MotF 2 which works with stackable Mettle.
5) His support. For 55 pts he can be in a faction with a large amount of support and they are the wall you have to chew through to get to him.
6) His cost is far too low for what he brings. See the above.

There's more to this decision than just X vs GOWK. There's X and X's support vs GoWK and his Boosted Support. You have to see the forest for the trees.

Keep in mind, that if he's banned, it could be just a temporary solution until the game catches up to him. And that's the main thing that's wrong right now. He's FAR FAR ahead of the game with little to no realistic countermeasures. Dooku of Sorreno is great but how much support do you need to make him playable when he doesn't have any defense vs non-melee. You need Darth Sidious to give him renewal (something that Obi doesn't have to worry about), support pieces to get him into position (Obi 3 movement breakers: Master Speed, R2, and Panaka), and enough fodder to soak the damage (which Obi boosts to higher than normal D's so even the shots may not fall).

However, if the game catches up to Obi, then maybe he may return from time-out.

Just food for thought.
Jonnyb815
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:16:58 AM
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He is like a real Jedi in minis. Why would anyone want that in minis since it DOESNT WORK? Even though he is not getting banned.
Nightwalker
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:25:30 AM
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Instead of complainning about how bad gowk is (which he really isn't) rather go find a way to beat him because there are plenty of ways to do so, theres really no reason to ban gowk.

In fact it brings some pieces into the game that wouldn't normal be played as often ie... direct damage being played more often.
zerg
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:43:57 AM
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Nightwalker wrote:
Instead of complainning about how bad gowk is (which he really isn't) rather go find a way to beat him because there are plenty of ways to do so, theres really no reason to ban gowk.

In fact it brings some pieces into the game that wouldn't normal be played as often ie... direct damage being played more often.


Yeah, Pushy rebels eat Gowk Flapper
And i think that only Klatooinian Enforcer should be banned ! ThumbsUp
joelker41
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:51:19 AM
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Gunn wrote:
Banning pieces is going to do nothing but ruin the game... and any tourny that bans any piece I refuse to play in.

If anyone thinks any piece is too good... then they are not a good enough player to beat it. Don't be lazy and ban him... come up with better gameplan to beat him.

GoWK has weaknesses. His biggest is once he runs out of Force he is not as powerful. Run Nihlus, he can steal Obi's Force... Or base him with Luke GM and watch Luke attack him 6 times... He can only use 3 force a turn max. You can slowly wear him down... or run CDoS, then he can't use his SSM. There are ways around him.

Is GoWK good... yes... is he unbeatable... Not at all. Remember when people thought Boba BH should be banned... You know what, I don't see him used all that much.

That is all I have to say about that.



I just want to say for record this post almost made me fall off my chair with laughter.

Did you really just say GOWK is beatable with Nihilus? Really?

I don't think you have a full grasp of 150 meta (GOWK isn't a factor in 200, at that point if you still can't b eat him that is a you problem not a GOWK problem) if you are recommending a useless Sith Lord and GMLS as viable anti GOWK counters. Those two pieces can't survive in 150 and your standard GOWK squad would make both of them obsolete.

Dooku of Serenno is really only viable because GOWK is in the Meta unfortunately, he is supposed to be 'the' anti GOWK piece, problem is he has neither the faction support or a viable way to get Force Points in 150.

GOWK is precisely what this game didn't need simply because he single handidly eliminated 2/3 of the previous Meta squads in 150 and basically the only factions that can oppose him consistently and still win vs other factions are basically the Rebels, Imps (on a lucky day), and other Republic squads.

People try really hard to use NR, and after JA they will probably be good enough to beat GOWK but not until then.
zerg
Posted: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:59:36 AM
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joelker41 wrote:
Gunn wrote:
Banning pieces is going to do nothing but ruin the game... and any tourny that bans any piece I refuse to play in.

If anyone thinks any piece is too good... then they are not a good enough player to beat it. Don't be lazy and ban him... come up with better gameplan to beat him.

GoWK has weaknesses. His biggest is once he runs out of Force he is not as powerful. Run Nihlus, he can steal Obi's Force... Or base him with Luke GM and watch Luke attack him 6 times... He can only use 3 force a turn max. You can slowly wear him down... or run CDoS, then he can't use his SSM. There are ways around him.

Is GoWK good... yes... is he unbeatable... Not at all. Remember when people thought Boba BH should be banned... You know what, I don't see him used all that much.

That is all I have to say about that.



I just want to say for record this post almost made me fall off my chair with laughter.

Did you really just say GOWK is beatable with Nihilus? Really?

I don't think you have a full grasp of 150 meta (GOWK isn't a factor in 200, at that point if you still can't b eat him that is a you problem not a GOWK problem) if you are recommending a useless Sith Lord and GMLS as viable anti GOWK counters. Those two pieces can't survive in 150 and your standard GOWK squad would make both of them obsolete.

Dooku of Serenno is really only viable because GOWK is in the Meta unfortunately, he is supposed to be 'the' anti GOWK piece, problem is he has neither the faction support or a viable way to get Force Points in 150.

GOWK is precisely what this game didn't need simply because he single handidly eliminated 2/3 of the previous Meta squads in 150 and basically the only factions that can oppose him consistently and still win vs other factions are basically the Rebels, Imps (on a lucky day), and other Republic squads.

People try really hard to use NR, and after JA they will probably be good enough to beat GOWK but not until then.


Totally agreed BlooMilk
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