Sorry, I don't usually get too irked but is anyone else just a little bit annoyed by Disney taking over Star Wars and then saying "everything created about the SW Universe post RotJ is now wiped"? It's pretty darn arrogant and I think a stupid thing to do (admittedly I don't mind the whole Vong thing disappearing but not the Jedi Academy arc that was associated with it).

So we now have no Mara and butt-kicking Jedi-master Luke (who seems now to be some lost old hermit), Ben Skywalker, Anakin Solo and the twins (are Han and Leia even together or does that just end up with them hating each other?) plus all the other jedi. Sure, we get Chewie back (yeehaa!!) but just to simply wipe out a whole universe of storylines as though it means nothing gets my back up a bit. Who's idea was this anyway? AA Abrams??

Just the ramifications for the universe's space-time fabric of the fact that we will now have two parallel universes in the SW story line and thus operating at the same time is concerning lol! Personally I am not excited about the new movies, think it will depart significantly from the feeling of the others (especially Rogue One which just from the audio on the trailer sounds like a Platoon rehash)...oh well, maybe the world will end before then and not allow this new universe to enter into our current one.

+1 to Sithborg

Ok first up I am a massive Star Wars fan, I saw them all when they first came out and loved them as a kid, had the first figurines ever, have read almost all the books etc etc. And currently I'm not super excited by the new movie mainly because, as I discussed above, the feel of the thing and also possibly the lack of some characters or demise of ones from the original movies. To be honest I can't see how anyone can look at what we have so far from TFA and not be a little concerned...I'm feeling a trap much like I did after getting all excited over the trailers for The Phantom Menace and then finally seeing the movie. A lot of people point out that Abrams did a good reboot of Star Trek but it was all action and not much for plot, script or character development. So stop with your +1s kids or are you not even old enough to remember what it was like disappointment-wise when the prequels came out?

Second, Lucas is a turd and we all know it (a creative genius turd yes) Read "The Secret History of Star Wars" and you'll see why and how for the prequels he cut out all those that had helped the first trilogy be as great as it was all because of his own narcissism. So I'm not buying in to "it's what George said anyway".

Third, I agree, the state of the SW Universe wasn't great because Lucas, the creative genius turd, probably let too many authors have there own way with it. FOTJ was awful, and the Vong were a bit left field. But I still think they could have introduced new story lines while keeping the present universe characters, come one - Ben, Jaina, Jacen, Anakin, Mara, Luke the Grand Master, Corran, Kyp etc etc? All great characters.

I understand that once you want Chewie to be back so the whole non-SW savvy world doesn't do a global collective "HUH??" it really just means that anything can be changed but I would have liked some integration...that's all I'm saying.

So yes we still have our old universe, I agree, but BECAUSE it was sooooo attached to the movies for me it does feel like I either forget it forever or go with the new...I'm standing over a precipice here.

Who said anything about Lucas?

As for JJ, I find all the issues people have with the Star Trek movies seem to be misplaced. Orci and Kurtzman are the two people should be leveling their hate at.

What you say makes sense, and yes Anakin has been 'redeemed' by the Clone Wars cartoons. Hayden was simply just awful. l also agree with the Marvel thing, and I have got a bit tired of so much action packedness that I can't seem to differentiate one movie from the other such that I'm a bit lost on the whole plot thing. Guardians of the Galaxy i really enjoyed but that was set apart from the rest. But yes, too many SW movies could dilute the whole thing.

Good points, thanks

Ok stop right there, I apologise if my tone was misread, I'm having a rant yes but I don't not value your guys opinions..."the stop the +1 thing" was just Southside of Auckland talk. All good, chur bro. plus I don't hate the prequels either, just bits of them, mainly the acting. Otherwise I love all the new characters they introduced and the new dimension to the Jedi we never saw in the originals[/quote]



Hmmmm I think you're confusing yourself. It's not that I don't like George, I don't know him I just don't like the things he did and the arrogance he showed, especially to those who helped make the originals such a success. I never said I wanted the continuity as some bits don't work but it would be good to try and maintain some connection to it rather than wiping it out altogether. Whether that be characters or events, but the whole lot has been wiped, rebooting could have been a chance to ditch the trash but keep the good stuff. As for George's involvement in the EU as far as I know he still had a say in where the story went, he's not the kind of guy to sit out and not care about it. Once again if you were to read that book on the secret history of SW it goes into that a bit.



Yes I agree, there have been lots of examples of this. Plus ultimately I must submit to what you are saying about the EU becoming a mess, it's true, there have been so many authors writing so many stories that has stretched over 3 decades now (and many written before the prequels came out and added some history to the whole story) that it is understandable that keeping it all together in one nice cohesive story line was always going to be difficult. You just need look back at the Children of the Jedi book which really was just weird, as was FOTJ and even Force Unleashed to see how there are things that just don't work. Books were produced primarily to make money, not to really help us all out in becoming a part of the SW Universe.

Maybe I should just put it this way then - I'm a bit gutted that Han and Leia may not even be married, that there may be no Mara, no Ben, no twins and no kick-butt greatest jedi ever Grand Master Luke Skywalker in the new movies (though I may easily be wrong on the first and last of those points).

But I hope I enjoy the movie too and it's not just another 1000 mile and hour chase and fight fest like Star Trek and marvel have been, i hope it has some depth to it so i can love it as much as I loved the originals, they were my childhood and I think I'm not alone when I say that I would like to be able to relive that childhood again when watching the new movie in 7 months time ;)

The prequels are by no means perfect, its just the internet default is THEY SUCK whereas I think they have lots of good and fun bits and a good overarching plot brought down by poor acting. (No matter how great Ewan McGregor is he can't be everyone in that movie. Man do I wish he was though.)



I'm not literally confused, I'm just saying I think you want to have your cake and eat it too. You admit parts of the EU are bad and you just wish they kept the good parts or the parts you like. Its much easier to throw it all out and then as you go pick up the pieces you like again and fit them back in then try and explain what you will put in vs what you won't. We don't know what has survived yet, we won't know for a while. Plus if the announcement had been "EU GONE. Well except for Mara Jade. oh and Ben and etc etc" it takes away from the surprise for people who don't know its coming.


We don't know what is coming, all of these fears could be unfounded. And even if they did get rid of everything, that doesn't it couldn't be a good story still.

Oh I see, that explains a few things then...though I actually enjoyed the Transformers movies, and the Star Treks, but yes, no depth.

Not evil at all...I just wanted Luke to have settled down and lived happily ever after lol. Hopefully he still becomes super-duper butt kicker :)

I'd say that's the biggest rub with me as well, and why I can't feel a huge amount of excitement for Episode VII. Star Wars could easily withstand having two continuities running side by side each with their own events and history, like how Marvel had the Ultimate series running alongside the classics. Instead, they went scorched earth and destroyed everything.

Hopefully, we'll wind up seeing one of the new-continuity Skywalker descendants using the force to punch reality so hard the multiverse is restored.

With this new start for the EU,It will help put to rest finally some of the bitterness from the old EU, but it also will add some new bitterness like Zahn never getting to do a new Thrawn story. As for my books, I only have a few to go from the Legends banner before I have all of the SW books i want.