Should the floor rules be changed to prevent a pieces cost from being reduced below 3? This polls main purpose is to form a reference point in order to see where we all stand. Feel free to post on topic though.

Yep especially as it keeps my friend Gha Nakt a good piece while helping to reduce the problem people seem to be encountering

Interesting to note, that if you take Jim's squad:

50 Boba Fett, Assassin for Hire
32 Thrawn (Mitth'raw'nuruodo)
16 Admiral Gilad Pellaeon
13 Amanin Scout
12 Gha Nachkt
11 Admiral Ozzel
9 Wuher
8 Mas Amedda
14 R7 Astromech Droid x2
9 Rodian Brute x3
26 Mouse Droid x13

(200pts. 26 activations)

Remove Gha Nachkt,

50 Boba Fett, Assassin for Hire
32 Thrawn (Mitth'raw'nuruodo)
16 Admiral Gilad Pellaeon
13 Amanin Scout
11 Admiral Ozzel
9 Wuher
8 Mas Amedda
16 R7 Astromech Droid x2
36 Mouse Droid x12
9 Rodian Brute x3

(200pts. 24 activations)

you get two less activations. Which can be huge, I suppose, but just doesn't seem too different to me.

P.S. Agree with 3pts. as a lower limit.

It's a start, but as others have easily pointed out, does not fix the problem. But hey. I guess I'll take it at this point.

the main thing that double swap does to elevate its position in the meta is take out squads like Yobuck swap too easily.

You need time (more than a round) to get into the Imps players backfield to take out his activations and because the double swap allows such a great range you risk losing R2 and/or panaka/mas first round. That's generally what kept stealth and Blus in check, the fact that it lost to Yobuck without exchanging activations for survivability.

The double swap takes that weakness away, again too much movement. Boba exacerbates the issue but the main point is the governor effectively doubling the imperial squads movement.

Jim's squad is a counter squad. He maxed activations in order to go last to beat the double swap. It likely would perform poorly against yobuck but there were very few in the tourney and so he dodged most of his bad match ups. Without the governor, people might still play high activation Thrawn builds but there are more counters to it and its possible without the double swap being such a perceived force Thrawn builds might not have shown up, or at least being less effective.

I almost ran a Yobuck, Mira, Quinlan, Panaka squad. I didn't because of the double swap, not boba.

So whereas Joe's point about high activations with 3 point minimum activations is true, the reality is that if a number of current issue are addressed, high activation squads will fall away.

I read this in the other forum and have to agree it is a very elegant solution to a problem that I think most people agree is an NPE for this game. Yes it requires changing a WOTC piece, but it is a very simple change that adds a preexisting game mechanic that truly helps address the issue. Huge props to caedus for thinking of this!!!

Jak, and i say this with all the seriousness i can muster, i honestly think the balance team will get this errata right. i may not always agree with the people on the balance committee, but they don't want to see the game die, and there have been enough complaints and suggestions for them to make the change and get it right.

Responding from the state of the game convo.


It seams like low caste only band-aids the issues, but doesn't actually address what needs to be addressed. I can still put 2 point mice in my main squad, like Deri did, and it doesn't do anything for the inherent negatives the mouse brings. IE providing cover, inhibiting movement and making your opponent target them as opposed to your other pieces.

It is a cool thought, but I just don't think that it is the silver bullet we all want for mickey...

Actually low caste won't allow 2 point mice. It can't drop below 3 that is the difference between 10 mice and 6 mice assuming you have 20 points in your main squad. Limits 4 acts. That is significant. Just saying. I also agree that a no cover tag should be implemented also.