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Raw prototype of first custom Darth Millennial stated below Options
Sunderland723
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:20:29 AM
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Here is the prototype of the first custom I will be producing Darth Millennial. Keep in mind this is still unpainted and a lightsaber will be added to right hand along with third eye on forehead and in the other hand. Let me know what you think.

Image One

Image two
Sunderland723
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:44:11 AM
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The first set will be called The Legacy of the Sith and will consist of five minis. All inspiration for Darth Millennial will be drawn from this image for painting and further moves.

Inspiration for Mini

-Sunny
kobayashimaru
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:09:48 AM
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okeedoke,
so there's a couple shapeways images, neat.
This helps determine a better idea of what folks're envisaging.

If this has 0.010mm details, I'd recommend FUDii for the material printed.
in that case, I could understand the near-cost price for FUDii material being near the numbers you suggested elsewhere.
if however, the proposed idea was intended for WSF material... that's steep for the proposition BigGrin
also, having the "burned anakin" shapeways custom from the past, FUDii is exceedingly brittle compared to polyvinyl or pewter...
which turns a lot of folks off of most shapeways things.

While non-Clone Wars era sith do not interest me so much,
and I'd pass on this 'set' entirely,
I'm sure some other folks'd be keen to see these rare characters.
I'd be interested in a few of those concepts I shared in a "santa wishlist" on your other thread
and,
Gaius Zed (movie variant),
Larvox (the movie variant, that space-spider-centipede variant not the bizarre phallic Larvox from the goldenage comics)
and a decent John Stewart mini (no-one makes them at all, doh)

a lot of folks also wanted to see
Ratchet and Clank heroclix,
and
Jak and Daxter heroclix.

So, I think if you've not already,
head on over also to HCRealms also, and Lead Adventure.de,
dakkadakka a little? and coolminiornot
those'll all generate even more ideas and leads,
and you'll be sure to get some feedback too.
The folks on HCRealms'd really like to get to know you.
If you're introducing yourself on the new member thread and offering some make-to-order
once off small run etc,
a lot of folks'd appreciate that.

AllScaleTrek,
ModelerMagic,
StarshipModeller'd also be interested if you were ever
to have some means to provide assorted photoetch...
(a few alibaba machines also run lazercutter heads... I've blown an aftermarket one for the k8203...)

PS:
do you take .skp's and turn those into .stl/.obj/.mkr's at all?
there's a few .skp's that could be easily turned into .stl via a mesh boolean.
also, do you have any hints on .pmd into .stl?
I don't mind the low-res or potential non-manifold, for low end stuff.
I'd be mostly converting my old parts files and low res stuff for low res use in XNA hehehe
a few japanese programs (metasequoia etc) and old-school software only port as .pmd or .oggs/old weird .cae
Sunderland723
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:17:39 AM
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These will be made using an ultra detail plastic which is primarily acrylic based. This type of material I will be using is perfect for what we need in Star Wars minis for it is used to get the most detail out of paint and will also look and stay looking amazing for lots of uses and even if ou wish to just have them displayed.
kobayashimaru
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:32:13 AM
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FXDii?
FUDii is torsionally stronger,
unless it's not being made with shapeways, but some other method of manufacture?
(a form+1 or a lazer ablation?).
it's still brittle no matter what - but,
I will agree, it is ultra detailed and may be less warpage prone over a long time
(unlike the last couple of WotC sets... I'm looking at you, Chameleon Droid)
Sunderland723
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:37:33 AM
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Do you believe this is a valid price point? With the painting and design maintaining a A+ status?
Darth_Jim
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 2:41:49 AM
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Shouldn't this post be in the customs section?
Caedus
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 3:29:26 AM
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This looks like mini's from heroforge.com. They make custom non-painted mini's for around $25. I understand that they need painted and I wouldn't mind a nice $15-$20 paint job, but $60?
jak
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:12:11 AM
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that IS a custom mini from Hero Forge.
not a big fan of the "crucified" pose.
kobayashimaru
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:55:34 PM
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again folks,
I've not yet seen a finished article, so I'm keen to hear what a fellow Minis player/customiser has to say. BigGrin
if they're making some minis, maybe later there'll be some aliens or vehicles... or MOAR DROIDS. BigGrin

as far as concept sketches go,
this is an ambitious project,
so I'm looking forward to seeing how it materialises.

As outlined in a separate thread (when I'd misunderstood what was on offer),
there's a supply chain etc,
a 'viability manifold' yada yada BigGrin
- a lot of potential third party steps into the chain, which may complicate things...
so, what I intuit may have happened here, is
someone was prematurely sounding a thought-bubble,
thinking ahead and maybe, getting a little ahead of ones self;
nothing at all wrong with that - this is how awesome stuff can happen -
you don't ask, you don't get hehehe

So, the premature floating of a thought/sketch-bubble
has maybe also led to
a little extra pressure/expectation being put onto Atlas's shoulders.
Folks are quick to the "talk the talk, walk the walk" line of thinking, because YOLO?
but... how do we learn or make minis if we don't have some conversation eh?
So, no pressure but what we make for ourselves,
and, looking good so far.

apologies if I led folks on a technical tangent,
as I'm always wondering how folks actually make their whatever-it-is they're making,
because I'm always trying to improve how I make models/minis myself
(you should see a few of my minis hehe, some of the early ones, they're stinkers BigGrin)
This is why I was upfront in stating a limitation and personal reservation on those hypothetical materials,
because they are quite brittle compared to other miniatures,
and a lot of folks conscientiously avoid that for a number of reasons.
not to mention, CyanoAcetate (garden variety superglue) can melt and discolor it if a 'all-clear' finish is required -
and some sealers such as krylon seem to also lead to warpage.
I learned that one the hard way with some R2 brain bots (for modding your R2 miniature),
or the abortive effects-sprue project (hint-hint, that might be something to BlooMail about) - it's on the backburner, but those levels of finish were a key decider along with
cost and lack of demand/interest.

PS,
I also find how folks are finding value here to be an insightful discussion;
(and I'm chuffed my guesstimate valuation I thought "the market would bear" was not far off...)
this is why negotiation is key,
so as folks in a case by case basis pay the price that's right for them,
and get the best deal/value proposition possible...

long story short,
comparative analysis can help;
some comparison between objects of a similar value - both fan made elsewhere and 'official' run,
can help posit where value might be.

It seems the market is signalling in the region of 30 provisional on what the final thing looks like;
recalling I have no 'interest' personally in this set as such.
If higher guesstimates also anticipated steps in a chain such as "postage", and were a guesstimate for say, continental US in USD etc...
that's approaching the high end, but might explain the higher guesstimate.
Sunderland723
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:41:17 AM
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Here is my next prototype which will be figure two of the five I will be making. This prototype will be the beginning for Kylo Ren. Remember this is only a prototype and I will change many aspects using various material green stuff etc.... Let me know what you think of the basic design and if the stance is appropriate.
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Sunderland723
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:46:26 AM
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Quick Note. The hood over face mask will be fix and completely concealed.
Sunderland723
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:52:24 AM
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The five I will be doing are Darth Millennial. Kylo Ren. Darth Malgus. Marka Ragnos. Darth Tenebrous. I have a ton of experience doing customs. To answer your questions yes I have used hero forge occasionaly to create a great base figure. I have a ton of experience with customs however and will add so much work and detail to these characters. I have made great money making and selling several custom heroclix and heroscape figures on ebay in the past. I hope I impress all on here with these. I will update when I can on progress and can't wait to post finished products. I really want to see the SWM line continued and am working my butt off to get it continued. Until then I want to create bad-ass customs to keep the life in this game.
surf_rider56
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:45:13 AM
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Darth_Jim wrote:
Shouldn't this post be in the customs section?


Yes, actually this Should be in the Customs section, but then again, I'm not a Mod so what do I know ...
kobayashimaru
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 4:42:41 PM
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an interesting pose for the second envisaged prototype,
this is that individual from SW:Ep VII, with the swiss-army saber yeah?
that would be interesting to see how the two crossguard parts are made into the blade...

Heroclix fans of Daft Punk might also be interested in that concept;
replacing the implement with an 80s hi-fi.

EDIT; as has been discussed on other threads elsewhere,
we're all encouraging of SWMinis fans and sci-fi folks in general here on Bloomilk,
being in somewhat a 'minis drought',
it's always neat to see what concepts folks come up with for minis - a dying artform.
so it's not too much a biggie if a predominantly customs topic is crossposted in general.
General and Off-Topic/Miscellaneous are a bit of a gray area anyhow hehehe
the main thing is to share stuff anywhich way you do initially, and follow a rough format later BigGrin
after all, we all start somewhere eh?

A mod, such as swinefeld etc may move it later,
it's just a formality to keep in mind for future awesome posts.

looking forward to further customs, Sunderland723
Sunderland723
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:29:13 PM
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surf_rider56 wrote:
Darth_Jim wrote:
Shouldn't this post be in the customs section?


Yes, actually this Should be in the Customs section, but then again, I'm not a Mod so what do I know ...


Should I apologize? lol I accidentally started it on here so thought I might as well run with it.
jak
Posted: Monday, September 28, 2015 1:21:03 PM
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IMHO you should apologize for selling 1 mini for $60
Caedus
Posted: Monday, September 28, 2015 3:01:34 PM
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jak wrote:
IMHO you should apologize for selling 1 mini for $60


+1

Like I said earlier, I can "manufacture" a similar custom mini from Hero Forge and have it custom painted for $10 which would bring my grand total to $40 with shipping
kobayashimaru
Posted: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:18:56 PM
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okay folks;
I've tried to be fairly impartial, openminded and diplomatic here,
though I am becoming more involved on principle -

it's great that people can think and question value propositions...
it's a very handy skill in negotiation and in real-life, to find win-wins.
top stuff BlooMilk

but, we're forgetting,
this new-comer to Bloomilk
is just that - they're new around here. BigGrin
A lot of folks'd agree, it's a niche area we all orbit to begin with,
and there's been somewhat a 'drought' of newcomers to minis as a general trend the past 3-5 years.
If we want folks to stay around Bloomilk, we've gotta be somewhat... hospitable.

This newcomer...
They might've made a mistake in the phrasing of
proposing a thought-bubble about the viability of making stuff -
let's all remember, we haven't seen any finished articles here
(and I thought Bloomilk was a place any fan of minis worldwide could come to
share their custom minis etc, from any language background anywhere on the planet)
let's wait and see BigGrin

The new-comer here,
they're wanting to make things that people would want to print,
and don't want to 'waste their own time' or the time and effort of others (because YOLO?)
offering things if no-one's going to actually print, play and enjoy what's on offer.
I find that somewhat considerate.

Thanks to everyone's candid feedback,
I think the new-comer's realistic in understanding "what the market will bear".
It'd be great to hear more about the full process of taking a concept from pencil sketch/concept and source material,
and then 'digitizing that' via the creation of a .stl mesh etc... and roughly how many hours is involved etc...
people could understand things if the whole process start to finish were 'tangible'.

It's always an awkward conversation - finding market value and value propositions on things,
but a very important conversation that has to be had, and if
there's no such thing as a stupid question, folks can ask questions if they'd like

yet, should we 'run out of a ghost town'
someone that's new,
because they mis-spoke and made a faux-pas?
What does that say to other folks that
might presently be 'lurking', or passively visiting the site,
but havent yet commented or begun to share more with Bloomilk?
Maybe, along with a host of other factors,
stuff like that is what is contributing to the decline of SWMinis...

that's my two shekel. BigGrin
Sunderland723
Posted: Monday, September 28, 2015 8:48:23 PM
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Kob. You nailed it on the head. Which is why I probably just won't post on here anymore. I'll do the customs for myself. I'm a newcomer to this site but no where close to being a new comer to the game nor customs whatsoever. Immaturity at a high level on this forum. If you want to see my customs when they are done you can PM and I'll reply other then that look in the mirror people to the reason this game is dieing out. Your scaring away the people trying to bring it back to life.
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