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CorellianComedian
Posted: Saturday, June 25, 2016 12:30:44 PM
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So, I've read on the page for "Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One" that due to some weird rules stuff, he can't use Supreme Chancellor Palpatine's Force points. I haven't fully figured out what the situation is, so I'd appreciate any help in understanding.

The reason the Chosen One can't spend Palpatine's FP is because although the card text says yes, the glossary says no - and thus the glossary takes precedence. I totally get that.

However, Bloo Milk's glossary entry for the ability is as follows: "In addition to spending its own Force points once per turn, this character can spend Force points from a character whose name contains Palpatine once per turn. A character whose name contains Palpatine must be in your squad to use this ability."

Thus implying that yes, he can spend Chancellor Palpatine's FP.

It appears that this is referenced in the comments, and that the glossary is incorrect because the card was incorrect.

I can kinda wrap my brain around that, but I have a couple of questions:

As it stands now, SC Palps IS NOT a legal candidate for Chosen One's Hand of the Emperor, correct?

It's not super important to me that the glossary gets corrected, but the conversation on the Chosen One's page isn't super clear: is SC Palps legal, or not? Has it been changed? Is it going to be changed? So even if we don't get a glossary correction, could someone post a comment on the page making it clear what the situation is?

And lastly, from what I understand, there shouldn't even be two glossary entries for Hand of the Emperor - the one for Anakin shouldn't even exist. I understand that, but I'm curious as to why not - it seems it was the intent of the designers that he work with SC Palps. Did they just use regular Hand of the Emperor, re-write the specifics, and miss the proper channels for creating a new ability? I'm happy to take Rules Guy rulings over faulty glossary definitions, but it seems that at this point in the game, for all intents and purposes Bloo Milk is the complete glossary - if the reason he can't spend SCP's force is because the glossary says no, and then the glossary doesn't say no, what is the problem?

Thanks for your help! If this has already been covered in detail before, I would be happy to just read through a forum post if there's a link handy.

And again, I appreciate the rules guys for all the hard work they do, I understand keeping rules clear can be a challenge, and I'm totally cool with however this works out, I'm just trying to understand the "Why" of the ruling in addition to the "What."
EmporerDragon
Posted: Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:06:55 PM
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The Chosen One can spend Chancellor Palpatine's points.

Hand of the Emperor allows a character to spend the listed character's force points. While the ability is the same, Mara Jade/Arden Lyn/etc. and the Chosen one affect different characters. Mara could not spend Chancellor Palpatine's force points for instance as his name does not contain Emperor Palpatine.
If we saw, say a Hand who operated under Roan Fel, it would say Roan Fel in the ability text instead.

As for why they have different glossary entries, it's because of the site's limitations, where each differing instance of an ability has to have a separate entry for the site to work. Just look at Rapport and Affinity.
CorellianComedian
Posted: Saturday, June 25, 2016 7:39:22 PM
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I knew about requiring separate listings for different forms of the same ability, but I wanted to confirm one way or another that the second listing was supposed to exist. Thank you! Always appreciate your help! ThumpUp
swinefeld
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:46:41 AM
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EmporerDragon wrote:
The Chosen One can spend Chancellor Palpatine's points.

Hand of the Emperor allows a character to spend the listed character's force points. While the ability is the same, Mara Jade/Arden Lyn/etc. and the Chosen one affect different characters. Mara could not spend Chancellor Palpatine's force points for instance as his name does not contain Emperor Palpatine.
If we saw, say a Hand who operated under Roan Fel, it would say Roan Fel in the ability text instead.

As for why they have different glossary entries, it's because of the site's limitations, where each differing instance of an ability has to have a separate entry for the site to work. Just look at Rapport and Affinity.


Actually, at the time Chosen One came out, Sithborg took issue with the changing of the WotC ability text while keeping the same SA name. It was something that slipped through QC.

http://www.bloomilk.com/Character/1244/anakin-skywalker--the-chosen-one
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Sithborg
2/10/2013 11:39 PM

FYI, Hand of the Emperor still only applies to Emperor Palpatine, as per the glossary.


That said, at this point I see little reason to disallow it. The important thing is to recognize the distinction from the original, as EmperorDragon clarified nicely above.
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