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kezzamachineII
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:33:35 PM
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Yo Bloos.

We've set an official date and we're starting to gear up for the 5th New Zealand Star Wars Miniatures Championship (more that awesomeness later!), and part of that is to prep our players - especially our new ones and/or ones who've been out of the loop for a while - with a list of what's big in the game!

We currently have the below document which shows roughly ten or so pieces from each faction that you should be aware of going into a tournament. That document, however, is up to set 9 and we've had two sets since then. Have a looksee:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5rj3gcbzmfrs27m/SWM101.%20Level%205%20Expecting.pdf?dl=0

Anyhoo, I'd like to a) update it with the newer pieces/ideas in the game, as well as b) add some stuff to it. As the Hutts pointed out, it could do with the addition of squad types, and I'm thinking a quick writeup about styles of the various factions could help no end. If you're keen, would you lot be able to help put together this fantastic document? It obviously is for our (NZ) benefit, but I daresay is helpful world over!

Help me bloobi-1-kenoobi, you're my only hope!
CorellianComedian
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:45:34 PM
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Well, add Marn and Vader of Lothal/Darth Sidious Sith Mastermind for one thing BigGrin

No Critdu on the list? I suppose he's not so much a squad cornerstone as he is a plug-in-and-play thug.
TheHutts
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:47:29 PM
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It's pretty interesting that there's some older pieces that have been huge this season - I'm thinking particularly of Marn Hierogryph and Cin Drallig - that I didn't include in that list. There's obviously stuff on that list that's been errata'd out of contention as well.

Some big stuff from recent sets includes:
XT-6
Covenant Defender
Queen Amanoa
Darth Vader of Lothal (and brings 100 point Palps with him)
Bib Fortuna, Majordomo
Artoo
Barada on Desert Skiff

There have been some new higher cost pieces that I think are really good, but haven't really made an impact yet:
Han Solo, Captain of the Millennium Falcon
Callista, Force Spirit
Darth Cognus
Kyle Katarn, Rebel Hero
Warb Null
Rey/Poe
Kylo Ren
TheHutts
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:49:39 PM
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CorellianComedian wrote:
Well, add Marn and Vader of Lothal/Darth Sidious Sith Mastermind for one thing BigGrin

No Critdu on the list? I suppose he's not so much a squad cornerstone as he is a plug-in-and-play thug.


Republic was tight with all the death shot stuff in there. But if I made that list now, I'd drop all the Naboo stuff and supporting tech (Yularen, Mothma) in light of the errata, and fit more Jedi (Cin Drallig, Mace, Serra Keto).
Echo24
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:42:42 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
It's pretty interesting that there's some older pieces that have been huge this season - I'm thinking particularly of Marn Hierogryph and Cin Drallig - that I didn't include in that list. There's obviously stuff on that list that's been errata'd out of contention as well.

Some big stuff from recent sets includes:
XT-6
Covenant Defender
Queen Amanoa
Darth Vader of Lothal (and brings 100 point Palps with him)
Bib Fortuna, Majordomo
Barada on Desert Skiff

There have been some new higher cost pieces that I think are really good, but haven't really made an impact yet:
Han Solo, Captain of the Millennium Falcon
Callista, Force Spirit
Darth Cognus
Kyle Katarn, Rebel Hero
Warb Null
Rey/Poe
Kylo Ren


Set 12 spoilers!
TheHutts
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:54:05 PM
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Sorry - I thought all the stuff I mentioned had been previewed. Looking back I let one through, sorry! There's an Old Republic piece I'd probably include too, but it hasn't been spoiled yet.
Echo24
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No problem, the set comes out soon anyway so we probably need a couple more spoilers.
CorellianComedian
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:03:26 PM
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Kyle Katarn, Rebel Hero, huh. Riiiiight.
I'll believe it when I see it.

On topic: Cin/Serra and Mace would be a good call - maybe new Qui-Gon too?

NR-N99 Droid Enforcer with BHC Dooku? Kubaz Spy?

Also, no Vergere? Not super-impressive herself, but giving VCA 6 to someone is pretty epic. I suppose you can only cover so many potentials, though.
Cassus fett
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:13:40 PM
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CorellianComedian wrote:
Kyle Katarn, Rebel Hero, huh. Riiiiight.
I'll believe it when I see it.

On topic: Cin/Serra and Mace would be a good call - maybe new Qui-Gon too?

NR-N99 Droid Enforcer with BHC Dooku? Kubaz Spy?

Also, no Vergere? Not super-impressive herself, but giving VCA 6 to someone is pretty epic. I suppose you can only cover so many potentials, though.


Agreed Vergere needs some love
TheHutts
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Vergere should probably be there, but she is kind of weird, since she mainly gets played in Sith, but can only be in squads with Caedus (which is admittedly a lot of Sith squads).
Cassus fett
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I know the pdf is outdated, not a diss at all. But i'll throw my two cents in.
First in OR, i know she just came out, but i personally would take Vima Sunrider over Kerra holt, especially with Master Thon, or now Odan Urr (who i think is very underrated)
The Imperial section is very biased towards Dalaa stuff which i understand but given the Regionals, Vader of Lothal and BHC Sidious should be in there, probably under essential.
Im very curious to know the reaoning behind Juno Eclipse being put under the Rebels page. Is it just because shes a cheap distraction piece?
Im very Surprised the Lancer droid isnt under CIS, especially since CS Sidious is down there, have they really fallen out of favor?
I very much enjoy the Lord Krayt love and the special Sith Spirit section, thats an awesome inclusion
Curious about OG Kyle Katarns inclusion under New Republic whats the reasoning there?
I think the Mandalorian section should have Fenn Shysha and the Protectors and maybe self destructing death watch, but its not really a huge thing. Plus Kelborn being essential is dead on accurate
Vong and Fringe are Spot On as well
I think Republic should have the new Qui-Gon and Cin/Serra, but thats some serious personal bias at work on my part. Perhaps Critdu as well, just because he still gets around

Over all this is a fantastic document and great guide for new players. It awesome someone sat down and put this together. I hope you guys and gals out there have an awesome time
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Cassus fett wrote:
Im very curious to know the reaoning behind Juno Eclipse being put under the Rebels page. Is it just because shes a cheap distraction piece?

Partly because Rebels don't have that many standout pieces, especially at that point, and we were trying to do 10 per faction. They've done really well out of the last few sets (new Rebel heroes in set 11, Rebels TV series in set 10), and I think this list would be a little different - I'd certainly include new Han, Lando Infiltrator, new Artoo, and new Kyle in that list if I'd made it today. But Juno with Disruptive and Accurate for 8 points is a steal. I'd almost always include her in a Rebel squad if I can fit her and I don't have other Disruptive.

Feels like Rebels have a few essential pieces - all WOTC - Dodonna, Rieekan, Princess Leia, Levitate Luke - then it's a bit of a lottery after that. Crix Madine and ERCs are great if you're going with commandos, Vander and Biggs are great for pilots, the SpecForce stuff is actually pretty good, etc.

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Im very Surprised the Lancer droid isnt under CIS, especially since CS Sidious is down there, have they really fallen out of favor?


Yeah, it would be a good inclusion. Just lots of good Sep stuff out there.

Cassus fett wrote:
Curious about OG Kyle Katarns inclusion under New Republic whats the reasoning there?


Jan Ors plus Kyle's been a popular squad - it's made top 8 at GenCon, and I think it's clearly one of the NR's better options.
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^ Interesting, its always great to hear the reasoning behind inclusions. I didn't realize Kyle and Jan was so popular i always felt it was more gimmicky than competative. Perhaps i should reassess… :)
TheHutts
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Cassus fett wrote:
I know the pdf is outdated, not a diss at all. But i'll throw my two cents in.
First in OR, i know she just came out, but i personally would take Vima Sunrider over Kerra holt, especially with Master Thon, or now Odan Urr (who i think is very underrated)


I actually really like Kerra and Vima together. Kerra pulls someone next to a low object, then Vima gets her unblockable damage.
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 5:16:11 PM
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Cassus fett wrote:
Odan Urr (who i think is very underrated)


What squad do you see for him? I thought he came out kind of underwhelming - I haven't been able to get him to do any serious damage. In Epics, however, I think he will be... epic. The extra turn is great if you can hand it to a major ally, and in epics you have epic allies.
Cassus fett
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Well truthfully its personal bias. I enjoy Odan Urr as a character and i think his piece is solid. Definitaly not tier 1 but, solid enough. In higher point formats than 200 i think he'll have some excellent uses
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Cassus fett wrote:
Well truthfully its personal bias. I enjoy Odan Urr as a character and i think his piece is solid. Definitaly not tier 1 but, solid enough. In higher point formats than 200 i think he'll have some excellent uses


Originally in playtesting he had triple. He was really good with Revan Sith Lord, so it got toned down to double. In hindsight he got weakened too much, and should have maybe just had a minor cost increase.
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I want to say 110 hp is too low as well, however- he was more a scholar than warrior. Also have i missed something, how did he get in a squad with revan?
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Cassus fett wrote:
I want to say 110 hp is too low. But at the same time he was more a scholar than warrior. Have i missed something, how did he get in a squad with revan?


Jedi Crusader.

You can give Revan an extra turn at the end of the round, then win init and go second, then Revan can run even further in, then swap in Odan-Urr to triple something with his force power for 90 damage. Means key pieces like Thrawn/Panaka/Cad Bane were in trouble. It's still workable with double, but it feels like Odan's just a little overpriced.
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Ah yes, i thought so. I could definitely see him being potential in a squad like that
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