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DarthMaim
Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:31:07 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
So strange anyone dislikes blast bugs



Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens
“I have a bad feeling about this.”
―Han Solo, upon realizing that the Rathtars have been set loose on his freighter.

Star Wars: Episode VI – Return of the Jedi
“I have a really bad feeling about this.”
―Han Solo, about to be spitfire-roasted, after the Ewoks capture him and his strike team

“Artoo, I have a bad feeling about this.”
―C-3PO, upon entering Jabba the Hutt’s palace

Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back
“I have a bad feeling about this.”
―Princess Leia, walking inside the belly of the space slug, just before the mynocks appear

Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope
“I have a very bad feeling about this.”
―Luke Skywalker, as the Millennium Falcon approaches the Death Star

“I got a bad feeling about this.”
―Han Solo, before the walls of the trash compactor start to close in

Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith
“Oh, I have a bad feeling about this.”
―Obi-Wan Kenobi, talking to Anakin Skywalker via his headset as their starfighters approach a large, closing blast door on Invisible Hand, the dreadnought ship commanded by General Grievous

Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones
“I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
―Anakin Skywalker, held captive at Geonosis in the arena

Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace
“I have a bad feeling about this.”
― Obi-Wan Kenobi’s first line to Qui-Gon Jinn onboard the Trade Federation cargo freighter, Saak’ak, which orbits the planet Naboo

Ironically, the least Force-sensitive character, Han Solo, manages to say the “bad feeling” phrase the most of all characters (i.e., three times over three movies – Eps. IV, VI and VII). The young Obi-Wan utters his misgivings twice, once each in Eps. I and III. And only once has a droid (C-3PO in Ep. VI) parroted the phrase.



In case anyone was wondering, this is my soapbox re: Blast bugs on spamming non-uniques=

NPE ThumbDown

Disclaimer: ( Apologies in advance to Juice and Spry, and other Vong lovers out there Wink )
jak
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:15:58 AM
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Vong in general are an NPE
always have been
juice man
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:34:36 AM
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Oddly enough, I feel bad when crushing someone with Blast Bugs also. Also feel bad when the factor of crushing is poor dice rolls (Jason understands) or a small mistake on my opponents part. But I do it anyway - in competion. BigGrin
Gizmotronx
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:48:02 AM
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NPE? EPE?
juice man
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Gizmotronx wrote:
NPE? EPE?
Negative Play Experience

EPE Dunno. Excruciating Play Experience?
General_Grievous
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:21:48 AM
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Vong rock! Long live the old canon! Haha
DarthMaim
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:07:14 AM
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juice man wrote:
Oddly enough, I feel bad when crushing someone with Blast Bugs also. Also feel bad when the factor of crushing is poor dice rolls (Jason understands) or a small mistake on my opponents part. But I do it anyway - in competion. BigGrin



16 dudes ( Spry's Vong team ), most that are cloaked, some with speed 8, some that are worth no pts, all with Force Immunity btw ( advantages offensively and defensively ), that can do 20 dmg unavoidable ( 16 x 20 = 320 dmg ), from 8 range LOL, that there is no save for, requiring no rolling by initiator or responder, therefore no luck factor, and no fun factor, is just plain stupid!
DarthMaim
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:13:31 AM
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jak wrote:
Vong in general are an EPE
always have been


Yeah, there's a reason that the disgusted "Vong" groan comes out when a player sees the Vong cheesy squad reveal Scared
DarthMaim
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:14:54 AM
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General_Grievous wrote:
Vong rock! Long live the old canon! Haha



Thank you Disney! Let's not see these guys again in our lifetimes, please ThumpUp
donnyrides
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:47:36 AM
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Just get rid of the Warrior Caste Sub and the Vong are just fine. And while you're at it get rid of the +4 saves from Yun-Ne'Shel Devotion. Meet half way and reduce it to 2 because crabs 6 getting a +4 mod is really stupid.

On the other side of the coin, eliminate all the untouchable or next to untouchable pieces then so unavoidable damage isn't needed. Have any of you had the chance to really enjoy fighting against Rey when she gets +4 saves and 2 chances to evade and parry? SHE HAD A STICK!!!!! Really Wedge and Reekon giving everybody Evade can get shot in the face too if we are talking about NPE.

Bugs and Spit poison for Vong was almost needed if you think about it. They don't shoot. It's the best chance they had. Spit poison is more fair though.

I know the favorite rebuttal to any of this is: "A wedge squad hasn't won GENCON in X years, we'll worry about it then". So what. It's still stupid to give everybody on your squad the ability to simply roll and 11 and dodge a 40 damage critical and with Leia get 2 chances at it. AND it's not a Vset thing so don't start that argument. Leia and Wedge are both WotC.

Off my soapbox... Thanks for letting me vent. Cursing is now BigGrin
juice man
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:39:09 AM
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Or a save 16 for the Blast Bugs. Then there is a chance of dodging (or them missing). Still like the damage burning holes in armor and shields though.Love
TimmerB123
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donnyrides wrote:
Just get rid of the Warrior Caste Sub and the Vong are just fine. And while you're at it get rid of the +4 saves from Yun-Ne'Shel Devotion. Meet half way and reduce it to 2 because crabs 6 getting a +4 mod is really stupid.

Big +1
DarthMaim
Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:45:01 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
donnyrides wrote:
Just get rid of the Warrior Caste Sub and the Vong are just fine. And while you're at it get rid of the +4 saves from Yun-Ne'Shel Devotion. Meet half way and reduce it to 2 because crabs 6 getting a +4 mod is really stupid.

Big +1



+1.
jak
Posted: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:22:40 AM
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DarthMaim wrote:
juice man wrote:
Oddly enough, I feel bad when crushing someone with Blast Bugs also. Also feel bad when the factor of crushing is poor dice rolls (Jason understands) or a small mistake on my opponents part. But I do it anyway - in competion. BigGrin



16 dudes ( Spry's Vong team ), most that are cloaked, some with speed 8, some that are worth no pts, all with Force Immunity btw ( advantages offensively and defensively ), that can do 20 dmg unavoidable ( 16 x 20 = 320 dmg ), from 8 range LOL, that there is no save for, requiring no rolling by initiator or responder, therefore no luck factor, and no fun factor, is just plain stupid!


how about if their yammosk steals Force Renewal.

that'll make you wanna stab the the Vong player, and quit the game foreverCursing

FYI- I quit playing the Vong long ago............no fun for anyone(unless one enjoys being a huge dick)
DarthMaim
Posted: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:31:51 AM
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jak wrote:
DarthMaim wrote:
juice man wrote:
Oddly enough, I feel bad when crushing someone with Blast Bugs also. Also feel bad when the factor of crushing is poor dice rolls (Jason understands) or a small mistake on my opponents part. But I do it anyway - in competion. BigGrin



16 dudes ( Spry's Vong team ), most that are cloaked, some with speed 8, some that are worth no pts, all with Force Immunity btw ( advantages offensively and defensively ), that can do 20 dmg unavoidable ( 16 x 20 = 320 dmg ), from 8 range LOL, that there is no save for, requiring no rolling by initiator or responder, therefore no luck factor, and no fun factor, is just plain stupid!


how about if their yammosk steals Force Renewal.

that'll make you wanna stab the the Vong player, and quit the game foreverCursing

FYI- I quit playing the Vong long ago............no fun for anyone(unless one enjoys being a huge dick)



Yeah, at our LGS, we banned the Vong awhile back ( except at competition ), after the the Lah warrior, Domain Shai Subaltern, and Yun-Ne'Shel Priest combination, was established. Boy, did it ever get worse...............when will the madness end Confused


Hey everyone, did you hear about the new Vong coming out in set #14;

Eminance Harrar, The God of SWM Cost= 19 pts
Hit Points:
80
Defense:
18
Attack:
9
Damage:
20

Special Abilities
-Unique
-Melee Attack (Can attack only adjacent enemies)
-Force Immunity (Enemies cannot affect this character with Force powers, or spend Force points to reroll attacks against this character or to respond to this character's attacks and abilities)
-Rival (Cannot be in a squad with any character who counts as Nom Anor)
-Shaper +10 (Yuuzhan Vong allies within 6 squares get +10 Damage. This bonus damage is multiplied by critical hits.)
-Scarification +10 (Wounded Yuuzhan Vong allies within 6 squares get +4 Attack and +10 Damage)
-Yun-Harla Extreme Devotion (If allies would take damage from an attack, you may choose to roll a save of 6. On a success, select a Yuuzhan Vong ally within 6 squares to take the damage instead.)
-Allies gain Vonduun Armor 6
-Allies gain Jedi Hatred +10

Commander Effect
All enemies adjacent to allies automatically fail saves.

"Eminance Harrar was known to cackle on the battlefield, uttering how Jedi's suck"


juice man
Posted: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:36:31 AM
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Knee-jerk reaction: WHAT! NO TWIN?

Reaction on thinking about it - Hmmm, a little aggressively costed, but a Haraarra ra arar a that I'd actually use.LOL
General_Grievous
Posted: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:47:23 PM
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I do really enjoy playing vong and think they have a unique roll tempering the crazy force powers out there. And I hear the bit about blast bugs but really direct damage has been a thing way before blast bugs. How about the similar clone trooper with flamethrower or Zabrak? It's either auto 40 or auto 20 at 6 (can't be disrupted for the latter) and plenty of nasty ways to boost them up. Or take it way back to sith witches with Palpatine, plenty of other examples but it's always been a thing and at least blast bugs, while unstoppable, is just to one character and can't be overloaded like many others. My only tournament experience with them was when one player brought the trademark blast bug build to our regional three years ago and I crushed him with a republic Krell reserves team, just brought in strafers and made short work of the bug chuckers. I think direct damage can be annoying but it does have a place and does have some killer counters in the form of strafe.Though how about a new type of YVH mouse droid that causes blast bugs to backfire?
TimmerB123
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General_Grievous wrote:
Though how about a new type of YVH mouse droid that causes blast bugs to backfire?



OMG!!!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
TimmerB123
Posted: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:11:22 PM
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DarthMaim wrote:

Hey everyone, did you hear about the new Vong coming out in set #14;

Eminance Harrar, The God of SWM Cost= 19 pts
Hit Points:
80
Defense:
18
Attack:
9
Damage:
20

Special Abilities
-Unique
-Melee Attack (Can attack only adjacent enemies)
-Force Immunity (Enemies cannot affect this character with Force powers, or spend Force points to reroll attacks against this character or to respond to this character's attacks and abilities)
-Rival (Cannot be in a squad with any character who counts as Nom Anor)
-Shaper +10 (Yuuzhan Vong allies within 6 squares get +10 Damage. This bonus damage is multiplied by critical hits.)
-Scarification +10 (Wounded Yuuzhan Vong allies within 6 squares get +4 Attack and +10 Damage)
-Yun-Harla Extreme Devotion (If allies would take damage from an attack, you may choose to roll a save of 6. On a success, select a Yuuzhan Vong ally within 6 squares to take the damage instead.)
-Allies gain Vonduun Armor 6
-Allies gain Jedi Hatred +10

Commander Effect
All enemies adjacent to allies automatically fail saves.

"Eminance Harrar was known to cackle on the battlefield, uttering how Jedi's suck"





Now don't scare everyone!



Here's some REAL inside info on vset 14 Vong. It is almost all UNIQUE VONG focused. Even our non-unique Vong pieces support the UNIQUE VONG. Nothing to help the Lah warriors or the subcommander at all, and 2 Vong pieces specifically COUNTER one of the Sun-Ne'shel Priest's abilities, so that he becomes a little more reasonable.


We are excited to try and usher in an era where something other than a non-unique Vong Swarm can compete. Nom-Bombs, Spit poison swarms, blast bug swarms, peace brigade soldiers (which shouldn't even be Vong) and Lah warrior swarms have been all there is at the top tables for some time.

How about seeing some unique Vong hitting the tables? Without blast bugs or avoid defeat?

We look forward to seeing this happen. ThumbsUp
DarthMaim
Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:21:39 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
General_Grievous wrote:
Though how about a new type of YVH mouse droid that causes blast bugs to backfire?



OMG!!!! YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!



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