I think the purpose of the V-sets is to asertain what is fun and what people want and design them. I think it should be all about having a fun time playing the game in the way the mechanics have been set up. It should help create open squad design where different styles can be played at a tier 1 level.
It should not hesitate to ban/nerf/cut/counter NPE's that are widely widely accepted NPE's. The V-sets should continue to give accurate portrayals of beloved characters that allows players to play them the way that the present themselves at a certain time or overall in the Star Wars verse. The V-sets should try to establish an order of power where the powerful people in the Star Wars verse are the powerful people in SWM.

I believe the V-Sets started innocently as the communities attempt at keeping the game alive and moving forward as WOTC cut us off and sent us adrift without "Official" game backing.

It's probably morphed into our attempts at keeping things reasonably accurate (character-wise) and creating new/interesting ways to play the game. Therein lies the arguments; who considers what fun/accurate/interesting.




I toss this out not because I want to start something, but merely as a point of reference to the above in that if its not fun/accurate/interesting can/should it be played and if its not Tier 1 why is it therefore not worth playing as a piece. Does Everything have to be Tier 1? If so, we'll eventually need a Super Tier 1 and that's an endless argument I Don't want to get into .....




The back end, where the Big SW people should be big I agree with, its the "order of power" where I see arguments of who's deciding what the order of power is that also gets the arguments up and running.

It's a Game. have fun. Play and move along; we don't have to fight too hard over things, just agree to disagree and keep moving forward.

I am a competitive casual player. I usually play tier 1.5 squads
What I mean by different styles being able to be played at tier 1 is that all melee should have a tier 1 squad, swarm, it activate and smash, tanks, etc. The different styles should all be reasonably able to be played at the highest level. As of now there is not a tier1 all melee squad.
I love casual competitive games because the games are more fun to me. People bring in interesting things and I feel it brings out the best in players as well.

The game is mostly played in casual competitive realms now days any way.

As to who is in charge of knowing power level. I think people have a general idea of how it should go. The head of the imperial faction should be sidious and Vader then the next tier is Thrawn and if you include the Imperial Knights, roan feel.

It is hard when people who were not the best of the best completely define a faction. For instance, ganner rhysode, we all love him, but he is in almost every nr squad I have ever seen. General rieekan as well. And Darth Bandon
Etc etc

The faction impacting pieces should be major players imo

to cater to the wants and desires of the designers of each individual set.

I think the v-sets should now be used as a guideline of what to, and not to do. And I think now would be the perfect time to reboot the entire SWM Universe, go back to WOTC only, and start at set 1, and learn from all of our mistakes.

1 Set a year. Focus on scenario and competitive play.

Focus on Online tournaments with flexible rules ( easiest way to get the most players)

And have a "Season" that ends with a tournament twice a year online.

X amount of points for competing in the season, and once you reach X points in a season, you are a designer for the next set. That way, people who play the most and are involved will have some say, but it will also only be the best current players playing.

i dont think we should reboot, I think we should just limit some of the uber power players.

We change the maps out every so often. I think we should change out Faction specific pieces every so often. maybe one from each faction.

One year you "turn off" access to Jaq, Dodonna, San hill, Ozzel, R2-D2, Mando Captain, Lobot

The next year it might be Bastila, Revan (62), Rieekan, Whorm, Mas Amedda, Ganner, Kelborn, Mira of NS

This way you can play things that are countered by a certain piece. The year Bastila is turned off could be the year you play that CE heavy squad you like. Or the year out act control is out could be the year you try a 10 activation swap squad or whatever it might be.

There could be a year with no ysalamiri and no YV war coordinator.


I definitely think sets should go to 45 pieces, 1 set a year. and I do think they should always have some tier 1 pieces in them.

On average do we lose or gain players every year?

I hear what your saying. But a reset makes the most sense, doing a MTG rotation system now won't work because not many sets flow together really.

I agree with Jen about 1 set a year. Its so hard now to fit 2 sets a year, and hardly ever does a set receive enough attention. I've always been on board with a "Pre realease" tournament, where a tournament is held, and all the piecesd are released, people make squads using them in a competitive way, find out broken or misused pieces, then make some last second adjustments based on peoples feelings on pieces.

1 Set, that flows together, if we start a subfaction (Ghost Crew) release more than just one of them. Which I think recently especially has been very good at doing.

I also think 1 subset a year, with 12 pieces, that all go into some kind of scenario. Scenarios are fun, and I actually think more people would play them if they were out there. Plus, they are awesome for teaching people the game.


We can always have a new format. Just end the "V-Sets" but still keep them as an alternate play form, and start a new one, called something else.

I feel like it wouldn't help the New Zealand group - we still have big tournaments, even if it's down from its peak in around 2012-2013. But I feel like we'd lose a lot of our group if we cut out a big bunch of stuff.

I think all the toxicity on the boards is a lot more of an issue than the gameplay itself. The v-sets have done a good job at retaining interest for more than 8 years in a dead game, I don't understand why they get so much flak.

There are only so many game mechanics available. If we start counting them all or resisting them all there will be nothing but counters to game play.

We just recently saw the EV Droid pretty much crush the BX sniper and spotter droids. I don't think counters are the way to go. They are much more lasting then an off/on switch for a group of faction dependables.

You are right that if mandos did not have kelborn they could not be competitive. But, if kelborn is being shut down for a while the set should have something in place to help. Then when kelborn comes back on there might be two options and people have actually played it.

There is just so many things that are not played due to certain pieces dominating is my point

To each his own, but if your game style is lost due to a few pieces being inactive you should probably rethink the game.