I don't think Fringe Maul is a bad idea. In canon, after the Clone Wars, Maul leads the Crimson Dawn (definitely a Fringe organization) and later attempts to destroy the Sith. There's definitely enough justification for a Fringe version, I think. As for Obi-Wan, I agree with you there. IMO Obi-Wan was definitely a Rebel from the end of the Republic until his death. He just wasn't an active part of the Rebellion because of the task Yoda had given him. The two minis are supposed to represent the pair during their duel in Rebels.

I think he means undercosted @CC

Not going to lie I followed set 16 closely and for a long time I had serious doubts the set would come together worth a crap... behind the scene playtesting issues led me to believe when it was dropped there would be an over abundance of overpowered junk that would ruin the game I waited and waited for it to drop and when it did.....

I was shocked to see the set. I am pleasantly surprised at how good the set turned out. what exactly is the problem? a fringe obi-wan... have you read the book? he is most definitely not a rebel during the book. He is Ben.

I admittedly don't know enough about Maul to comment on his status. so I won't.

But there is legitimately nothing in set 16 that is broken or over powered that I can find, and trust me I have spent hours pouring over squads and combinations for it.

I'd honestly like to know what about this set makes you want to skip it?

most the gripes im seeing are flavor based. But we already threw flavor out the window a million times over when WoTC had the wheel. I think it's worth striving for flavor, but don't see the point in banning a set over it. Are there any legitimate mechanical issues that came from this set? Did it even shake the meta?

My thoughts are this...
FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING HOLY IMPACT THE META!!!

Just don't go overboard. Play testing is the issue imo. No one does enough play testing on possible meta shifting pieces for designers to feel safe putting out a power 9.5 piece. Sheev is power 9, but he is power 9 as a 30 point piece. Sith need power 9 pieces. I don't think sheev is powerful enough to want to bring sith. It seems caedus Barris is the best bet. I think vongerella will have more of a reach in competitive play then sheev tbh.

I don't feel that any piece really posted in squad into being better then any other squad. I don't feel like there is a new squad build either. (Except maybe vongerella)
If kas'im was not a commander and has a ce he would have been PERFECT. The ce made him not get bonus from Bandon and made the power disruptable/ distractible .. big loss in power

Anakin is not better (or only slightly better) than Serra or Quinlan.

Kao is regional fodder

Revan and malak need support from new pieces

DJ ..... Might be something that works but 22 points is alot. Double Attack saved the piece from bring 100% obsolete. Wedge Antilles was not really seen as worth it for a long time you Han, cl came around.


My thoughts on the set are that it looks made for regional play and the competitive realm was barely touched if at all. In that regard it failed to stimulate excitement for gencon, imo

I think there were absolutely some atrocious things in this set, but my gripe is mainly flavor.

The Sub Set should just be banned. Its not that good at all. And the Reylo piece is by far and large one of the worst pieces I've seen in 16 sets, both flavor and in general.

I think the biggest thing, is the designers still don't want to change pieces because "they" want a certain outcome. Playtesting is a joke, because if I critique something, if the designer still wants something to work the way they want, then they just say " well your the only one who thinks that", or " I still want this function, so I will change something else." That does zero good, and it turns people away from play testing, which is one of the biggest issues in sets in general, play testing.

Designers are getting worse in the sense that they do not want their designs talked bad about. Even in play testing. Note, this is not all designers, but it still happens.


But, like always, the biggest issue in this set, is it works against a lot of other sets.

OR got really no help in any sub faction that exists, and instead now has a new subfaction, that goes against the mainstream of the faction.

Sith has been nothing more than a random assortment of pieces, that you mix and match until you find some cohesion with pieces. I think a HUGE mistake has been made to not expand on the Subfactions that are built, or to create new subfactions. Why has the Brotherhood of darkness never been made a sub faction? And for the record, I think its absolutely stupid that 2 of the absolute best Sith tech pieces... Are Vong. Is this some back door joke to make the sith competitive through Vong pieces with Affinity?

Republic I think got some neat new toys, the Anakin being the best one, and I won't even complain about his cost, because its Anakin, and IMO, if a piece is going to be over powered and under costed... At least make it a main stream piece that has a real power level in the Universe.

Imps/NR I think are going in the right direction making pieces to fit into the subfactions First Order and resistance.
Altho Supreme Leader Snoke I think was a terrible boost for the faction. You now have to spend the 42 for him, and the 25/28 for a guard, just to get the +4/+10 damage boost... That is restricted to 6 squares and is disruptable.

Not according to one of the set's designers. They said it was supposed to be Kenobi from Rebels/ the comic where he faces Maul. (Incidentally, I would argue even more strongly against a Fringe Obi-wan representing him in Legends. In that timeline he actually ventures offworld to help the Rebels in 18 BBY. There's nothing Fringe about him at all.)

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I see what you did there..
Is what that means

Wasn't that the first time the set name was mentioned publicly?