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Hi,
One of my players had a questions about this during a game last week and though the answer would seem obvious I just wanted to clarify with the online community.\
The closest enemy is the closest legal target, right?
for example
character A wants to attack character B who is eight squares away in cover. Character C is 6 squares away from Character A but is not in LoS. Player B would be able to be targetted. Right?
Thanks for the help
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b is your legal target for an attack. however, if C were within 6 squares, but no in LoS, you could use grenades, lightning and any other abilty that does damage and has a range of 6.
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Sorry, didnt realize C was within 6 already.
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It would be closest enemy within LOS. This is covered in the rulebook.
However, it doesn't necessarily mean they are a legal target. Most SA's that prevent them from being a legal target prevent this loop hole, but there are still some instances around.
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Thanks for the input everyone.
Basically what I wanted to clarify was that even if C is closer that doesnt prevent A from attacking B. It's not like A would be prevented from attacking just because the closest enemy was not a legal target
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:b is your legal target for an attack. however, if C were within 6 squares, but no in LoS, you could use grenades, lightning and any other abilty that does damage and has a range of 6. wait, gernades, lightening, etc does NOT require line of sight, but rather Just an enemy to be within 6? thanks, MAINEiac
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MAINEiac wrote:Mandalore Da Beast wrote:b is your legal target for an attack. however, if C were within 6 squares, but no in LoS, you could use grenades, lightning and any other abilty that does damage and has a range of 6. wait, gernades, lightening, etc does NOT require line of sight, but rather Just an enemy to be within 6? thanks, MAINEiac No. Those abilities follow normal targetting rules, which requires LOS.
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I was gonna say, WTF?
I wish it was like D&D minis though, where you can throw a grenade at a spot on the ground, and affect a radius from that spot...
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seibermaki wrote:I was gonna say, WTF?
I wish it was like D&D minis though, where you can throw a grenade at a spot on the ground, and affect a radius from that spot... That must be one of the changes they made to DDM 2.0 because in the DDM I played you still had to target a character for the center of the effect and usually the closest character besides.
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:b is your legal target for an attack. however, if C were within 6 squares, but no in LoS, you could use grenades, lightning and any other abilty that does damage and has a range of 6. Dude, I want to play in your league!   Remote control lightning
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StevenO wrote:seibermaki wrote:I was gonna say, WTF?
I wish it was like D&D minis though, where you can throw a grenade at a spot on the ground, and affect a radius from that spot... That must be one of the changes they made to DDM 2.0 because in the DDM I played you still had to target a character for the center of the effect and usually the closest character besides. Possibly. The newest retail Battle Rules have Area Attacks(page 27 in the book). It's from the starter that has the green dragon, yuan-ti, human, elf, and dwarf. Basically, a spell(maybe not a "grenade" per se) might have an attribute called radius X... X being a number which is the number of squares that make up the radius. Radius go from 1 - 4. Radius 1 affects 9 squares. Radius 2 affects 16. Radius 3 affects 42. Radius 4 affects 64 squares. Oh, but it's partly how you remember.. except you can target a vacant square. You do need to have Line of Sight to the vacant square that acts as the origin, and the nearest target must be in the area of effect. There's also a range limit, depending on the spell or special ability.
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:b is your legal target for an attack. however, if C were within 6 squares, but no in LoS, you could use grenades, lightning and any other abilty that does damage and has a range of 6. I believe you need LoS to target an enemy with grenades and/or other abilities that are range 6. Nearest enemy is also applied when choosing enemy targetAbilities that do not require LoS is Kouhun Infestation... but nearest enemy for choosing targets still apply.
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ive never used LoS for grenades. it would make sense to me to need to have LoS.
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Sorry for the confusion, I had commented that I wished you could do a grenade at a vacant square on the map, much like the SPELLS in D&D Minis. And then I proceeded to explain what the newer rulebook for D&D Minis says about so-called Area Attacks.
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i just dont remember reading anything that said i need LoS for grenades. if minis were in real time (which ofcourse, they arent), if my ally was being shot at from an enemy around a corner, and i was around the other side of that corner, i was toss a grenade and hope that the cluster would wound the enemy. crack on me all you want, but you know that makes more sense then to actually needing LoS. i cant tell you how many times ive seen WW2 and Vietnam war documentaries where guys throw blind grenades, and they hit. but silly me for thinking that real time should have anything to do with this game. the lightning, well, i dunno. i remember Dooku in the AoTC flick, zapping Anakin with Lightning, and tossing him in another direction with said lightning. to me, thats control, and if someone is around the corner, why shouldnt you be able hit someone within 6, without LoS. this game gets slightly more dissappointing everyday. 
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:i just dont remember reading anything that said i need LoS for grenades. if minis were in real time (which ofcourse, they arent), if my ally was being shot at from an enemy around a corner, and i was around the other side of that corner, i was toss a grenade and hope that the cluster would wound the enemy. crack on me all you want, but you know that makes more sense then to actually needing LoS. i cant tell you how many times ive seen WW2 and Vietnam war documentaries where guys throw blind grenades, and they hit. but silly me for thinking that real time should have anything to do with this game. the lightning, well, i dunno. i remember Dooku in the AoTC flick, zapping Anakin with Lightning, and tossing him in another direction with said lightning. to me, thats control, and if someone is around the corner, why shouldnt you be able hit someone within 6, without LoS. this game gets slightly more dissappointing everyday. I agree 100%, it would make more sense to be able to do that. Basically though from how i determaine stuff like that, i may be wrong but whenever something say Target Enemy then it means you have to be able to have LOS & the targeting rules apply, only time it wouldnt is if it states specifically on the card " Regardless Of Line Of Sight" such as Kohuun Infestation..
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AAARRRGGHH!!!  I dunno. maybe its just time to get with one of the leagues and do this the right way. cuz apparently, ive been playing WRONG the whole frikking time!
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:AAARRRGGHH!!! I dunno. maybe its just time to get with one of the leagues and do this the right way. cuz apparently, ive been playing WRONG the whole frikking time! That's why we're here to help answer any questions regarding with the rules and other discrepancies. So don't be afraid to ask, unless if it's already said in the rulebook
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kenred2 wrote:So don't be afraid to ask, unless if it's already said in the rulebook And even then, we'll still answer, but also point out where the answer is.
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