Im starting up this topic again, because new squads im making i cant get any feedback because its getting lost in the site. The giving a 1 out & no comment. Im really getting sick of it now. Everyone single squad i make, within a day get's a 1.. its ridiculous. Im really starting to consider not even building squads anymore. I know some of you feel the same way as i do.

I really wish they would make it to have to leave a comment if you rate. You dont have to be genius to see that if you have to leave a comment when rating, that the anonymous 1's will stop. These people do not wanna be exposed & they certainly do not want people to know who they are. & to who think that ratings will drop, i dont think so. When people rate my squads i have comments accounting for as many ratings i have except for the 1's. I dont even care about getting a 1, i wanna know why im getting a 1. Plain & simple.

Its not fair to sit & think up some syrnegy for a squad & take time out of my life to do so to have someone just come & drop a 1 which takes less than a second. It will take me 10 minutes building a squad to be ruined within 1 second that isnt fair to me or anyone else. Its bogus. I dont care about getting a top 5 spot, i create squads to get feedback & idea's & input. When my squad gets a 1 then it gets lost in the site. & i dont wanna keep deleting the squad i just created & remake it over & over again. Its bulls**t. & im getting sick of it. Im not building anymore squads on this site untill this issue is resolved. I think having to leave a comment when rating is simple & would work... Its bullsh**t that i even have to do this.

Some people might not care about ratings & some people do. Its not the point, its the point of people prying into the work someone else has done building a squad. I wanna know where im wrong in a squad i build or a new idea i can go with. & these people doing this are making it to where people cant progress in the game. Bulls**t...

I agree with you but who cares if you get a 1 I think that you should not be able to even rate with a 1 no squad deserves a 1 .The worst I give is a 4 and I don't give many and I also rate with no comments cause if I dont like the squad I don't watse time on it . Who ever gives the 1's will probly give more to us now cause we are talking about it. Its probly some snot nosed little kid who thinks its funny but can't create a good squad himself keep making squads or they win.

a bunch of unmature little kids.

Well said. I was really mad when not even 10 minutes after i had created my Malak+Bane squad it got a 5, 3, and a 1; all with no comments to tell me as to why or how it could improve. I knew when i made it that it was not the best squad ever, and i know that my squads will most likely never make the top 10. But i dont build squads for the ratings. i build the squads to become a better player.

I personally will continue to build squads on here, and continue to post in the squad building section. But from now on i will just be posting the copy paste version and not making my squads public.

Well said smiley, thats why we build squads. Practice makes perfect. You wanna know what will do good in a tourney before you run it so we have the amazing squad building option. But you know what, im done building on that option. I think im gonna start doing what you just mentioned, build them on the squad builder, DO NOT make them public, then copy & paste it on this thread with no way to rate it.

I like the fact of providing idea's to people for squads & to also get them. I've got alot of idea's from people (which i always mention when i steal an idea lol the person who i got it from) & also alot of people tell me they like my corky squad idea's how they are unique yet still very useful. I like hearing stuff like that, it feels good as it would to anyone. So i think im gonna do exactly what you said your gonna do smiley...

What really makes me mad is that Shinja took his time & always takes his time & puts in alot of work. & i mean alot of work the guy does it for free basically. WOTC site is made by the creaters of the game so i imagine they get paid for it running that site. Well guess what. Shinja doesnt. & its a spit in his face to where he makes the decent option & these 1 givers are gonna make people stop using it. How is that fair to him? Technically your making a mockery of all the hard work he does too. So you see, its not just us being made a fool of, its him also. This is deep & effects everyone.

I promise that its gonna get 10x worst before it gets better. & if that is so then i also promise that i will not be the last to stop building squads. My reasons are that i want feed back & i cant get it when my squad gets lost from a 1. But your gonna have people who do care 100% about ratings that will eventually stop also building. So you see, everyone might have mixed feelings about this issue, but eventually it will turn out to effect everyone's reason for squad building. Weither you do for feedback, to get respect from people cuz i your idea, you love getting good ratings & shoot for the top 5 spot, whatever the reason this issue will eventually effect you..

Im gonna go drop you some input & ratings Jak, im always up for looking at squads i didnt see yet, i got ya buddy... (Lets all give this person some feedback people, its the least we can do for the amazing deed he did over in the trade section) Thanx people

Understood & effective things to do to stop it. Problem with them is a friend can only give you one point of view being his / hers. We make squads public for various opinions & point of views. Me personally, i would rather get no ratings at all with comments than to get all 10's without comments. & its a fact that once you do get a 1, your squad falls dramtically & gets lost in the site.

Its a great system for getting feedback in the game except for this single issue. Its just amazing how Shinja makes this site for all of us & these people know its a problem thats uncalled for, they dont have to pay for this site etc. But yea they still do it. Theres no respect for the game or the people in this community by doing that. & also no respect to shinja who puts in all the hard work for the people on this site.

This isnt minor, people spend time on making squads & these people are ignorant. If it were up to me i'd ban these people from ever using this site again. You dont have to give every squad you see that just been made a 1. & if you feel it should be a 1 then leave a comment behind why. Because rating a squad without a comment weither it be a 1 or a 10, not leaving a comment your doing no good. Even if you feel its a 10 then leave a comment saying i give it a 10 because I feel its flawless, then the builder of that squad knows ok i did this one right. Im just completely done making my squads public & completely done using that squad builder option.

Its there for us to use to help eachother & its sad that its making a user not even want to use it to save from the frustration. Im just gonna use it to add pts together & reserves etc the restrictions i need, copy & paste the squad then delete it & post in here cuz im done.

Actually, I would argue that the problem has gotten significantly better over the past year due to several factors. 1st, many of the kids have given up rating with 1s and multiple accounts have been dealt with by Shinja in other ways. So in a year, there just aren't as many people doing this as there were at this time last year.

What's my evidence for this? Speedy Cannon vs Fingerandteeth's "Lobin Luke". Last year at this time, my squad had something like 20 one votes, and that number steadily grew. If you look at Deri's Champ squad from this year, he's got a 9.8 rating (which is just about exactly what a Champ squad should get). So I would say this shows that this community has gotten better about this over the year. I think the discussions we've had about this has helped a great deal in raising awareness and just letting people know it's not cool.

So what are we seeing that is causing this current problem? Honestly, I think it's two factors. I think it's first and foremost, different ideas in what a squad should get rated, and how we use the rating system. I have told you all for months, I use the one vote, and I use the 2-10 as well. Others won't rate below a 4. That's ok, everyone has that right (assuming they are being at least thoughtful in their votes). But people think their squads are better than they are, and some aren't really looking for actual critique. I've said it before, I comment when I have something useful (or the occasional joke) to post, not every time I rate a squad. Sometimes a 1 squad is just something the guy threw together with little to no thought, and says something like, "This beats everything!". If there is little to no hope, and it's a bad squad, I'll give it a 1 and not comment. Why? Because even in other situations where I posted a helpful comment and gave like a 3, I've had people complain to shinja about me, revenge vote, and so on. It just isn't worth it. If you force everyone to comment, I will no longer rate other people's squads period. I used to agree with that idea, and I no longer do.

Here's the other part of the problem. I don't think you people realize just how many squads are on here. Your squads aren't getting lost because of one vote, they are lost in a sea of 20K squads the moment you post it. If you want help and advise, then you need to take the time to post it in a forum and ask for it. Posting your squads and then looking for validation based on a rating is just the wrong way to look at it. It's a fun tool, and that's it. Case in point, Deri's squad went from like a 7.4 to a 9.8 since he won with it. I changed my vote from a 9 to a 10. I would argue that the vast majority of voters have very little idea what a good squad is and why. Was Deri's squad really a 7.4? No. But many people didn't understand it. He wins with it, and all the sudden those same people who gave it a 5 before, change their vote to a 10. Does that mean that they get it now? I doubt it. We joked at Gencon that Deri and Frank Baker's squads would get netdecked all over the place, only for the guy to come on the forums and talk about how bad the squad is. Sorry guys, so much is the person behind it, that you can't ever view squad ratings as anything at all. They are almost meaningless. You are overvaluing the importance of squads in this game as a significant factor.

I may not have created many public squads and those I have are for the most part unique but have few comments. I was however fairly active at commenting on DDM warbands on MerricB's site and at Wizards before the changed the game so I hope these comments merit some consideration:

Perhaps my biggest thought is to do away with commenting on squads in the forum and require those comments to go with the actual squads instead. If you ask on the forum you may get some input but then when you look at the squad nothing is said about it which makes it look like there are no comments. If I was looking for some squad I'd want to see the pros and cons pointed out about a squad with the squad instead of buried a month ago in the forum where it will never be seen again. Comments on squads should go with the squad and NOT be found in the forum.

I know billiv15 has expressed some distain at the idea but I think rating should belong to a specific set of pieces no matter who posts the idea. Effectively I am saying that each squad should have a unique rating based only on the pieces that are actually in it as opposed to a seperate rating for everyone who has posted the same squad. The code to make that work may not be easy as it would also mean a squad's rating will change with any change in pieces.

no one should be surprised that there are spiteful people on this site.
i get more validation by whooping on someone with my squad, then anticipating whether im gonna get a 9 or a 10. i just dont care anymore at this point.
but like someone said before, the more you go on about it, the more someone is going to target you, and then the next thing you know, everyone is getting 1s.
i just say take it for what its worth.