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Dead horse
Posted: Sunday, December 6, 2009 2:08:54 PM
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I'm not so great at building squads. Take this one: it's very straight forward, two commander effects and strong shooting with no handy tricks like strafe or swapping. What's good and bad about it? What would you change?


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66 Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi General
33 Captain Rex
28 Dash Rendar, Renegade Smuggler
23 Commander Cody
20 Commander Gree
9 R2-D2, Astromech Droid
12 Mouse Droid x4
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3

(200pts. 13 activations)


Rate it here if you like. I would prefer criticisms Re: what works or doesn't work in general.
Uggie Demo
Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 2:08:30 AM
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Well I would take out the 4 mouse droids and put in mas amedda so you dont have them following you around all the time(if you dont have mas, most people would trade their extra mas for a mouse) you might want to take out Gree for more activations sence he has a really low defense, I'd keep everything else in there, I might take otu Dash for something else though. You could take out Gree and put in a R5 astomech droid for targeting, and a Human Bodyguard for Rex. 7
harmonm4
Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 6:05:37 AM
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Uggie Demo wrote:
Well I would take out the 4 mouse droids and put in mas amedda so you dont have them following you around all the time(if you dont have mas, most people would trade their extra mas for a mouse) you might want to take out Gree for more activations sence he has a really low defense, I'd keep everything else in there, I might take otu Dash for something else though. You could take out Gree and put in a R5 astomech droid for targeting, and a Human Bodyguard for Rex. 7


Uggie Demo, I politely disagree with almost everything you posted. Do not read emotion in this post. I am just going to state things that I think in terms of what is good for this squad, and that means I will be challenging (politely) many of your suggestions.

Mas is not needed in this build. 4 mouse droids (even though for 4 more points) is worth it for the added activations, and the ability to use them as bait and shields. Mas cannot offer that to this squad.

I don't think taking out Gree for more activations is needed if you stick with the MD's instead of Mas. Most of the time, 13 activations with a squad like this will do fine against even higher activating squads because of the ability to quickly level the activations using high volume of shots and the ability to shoot even stealth minis using an accurate shooter.

Gree is offering another 60 damage/round at a semi-solid attack, and giving Dash a very solid attack. That is worth the 20 points for Gree. Also, your main reasons for dropping Gree was due to his low defense. That will not be an issue when FlObi/mice are used correctly. Also, Gree with GMA is going to keep him out of LOS which makes his low defense less of a liability.

Your suggestions were to up the attack and activations, but getting rid of Gree makes for a low attacking Dash. If he drops Dash, he's dropping a lot of damage potential.

I highly recommend replacing Cody with Sev. Keep Dash and Gree. Drop the ugs and mice for Lobot, and have him bring in MD's and Ugs to keep activations high, or if you need to you can bring in R4/Treadwell Droid/Human Bodyguard/R7 or anything else if you need something else besides activations against your opponent.

This option gives you the ability to keep acts high, and give your squad solid shooters with plenty of damage output @ decent attacks.
Uggie Demo
Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 6:42:23 AM
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I said I would do that, I just posted how I would change it, Cody for Sev is a good idea. I also fogot about Gree giving the +4 to followers(oops) so I say keep them both. 8
harmonm4
Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 6:46:23 AM
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I know because I post the same way, and I know you know the game really well based on squads you've made and things you've posted. I just thought slightly different from you, but I guess it looks like our viewpoints on the squad are actually pretty similar. ThumbsUp

I really tried to make sure I did not come across rude, because that was not my intention at all, so please don't take it personal.
Dead horse
Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 6:26:20 PM
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Thanks for all the comments, guys. I'm starting to get the hang of this.

Rules Q: would mouse droids work with Gree's CE? Say you've got a Sev with three mouse droids within 6 squares. Does he get the +4 from squad assault or not? As droids, they wouldn't be affected by the CE but he would, so I don't know if them not counting as Sevs takes preference or him counting as a mouse droid would.
EmporerDragon
Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 7:04:14 PM
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No, as the Mouse Droids are not subject to commander effects, they are not considered to have the same name as Sev for the purposes of squad abilities.


As for the squad itself, I'd say it's a pretty good build and worth a few games as it is. One thought I have is that if your local meta is such where Accurate Shot isn't needed as much or if your opponents like running big beat sticks, Jarael would be a good substitute for Cody as she can stall quite well and having 4 attempts to paralyze your opponent's main fighter is always good.
Dead horse
Posted: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 3:22:22 PM
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Thanks. I really appreciate all this help. I'm not a very experienced player and I'm probably gonna have time to look in on a store game during the holidays. Thought I'd gear up.

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