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Can Mas be locked in a room and still provide unlimited range for commander effects? I would think no he can't. Please help out.
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Yes, he can. Booming Voice doesn't have a range limit, so it works even if Mas is locked away, no different from Rieekan or General Wedge. However, the commander that Mas is boosting can't be locked in a room.
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I don't see how that's any differnt? let's say for example Flobi is locked/closed off from Mas, how can Mas now provide the CE? since Flobi is in essence closed off in a room from Mas?
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This right from the FAQ
Booming Voice
Q: Mas Amedda's Booming Voice says it gives "unlimited range" to commander effects. Does that mean it applies to all eligible allies?
A: No. "Unlimited range" means there is no specific range limit, but you still must be able to count range to that ally for the commander effect to apply. For example, if the commander is isolated in a room with all of its doors closed, it is impossible to count range to any character outside that room. Thus, the commander effect would not apply to any character outside.
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adidamps2 wrote:I don't see how that's any differnt? let's say for example Flobi is locked/closed off from Mas, how can Mas now provide the CE? since Flobi is in essence closed off in a room from Mas? Mas is not providing the CE. Booming Voice is an SA, and it doesn't work like Relay Orders does. You must always be able to count squares from Flobi, but you don't have to be able to count squares from Mas.
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I would point out that while Booming Voice still works with Mas locked in a room away from his commanders he would not be in a position to receive any of those command effects.
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StevenO wrote:I would point out that while Booming Voice still works with Mas locked in a room away from his commanders he would not be in a position to receive any of those command effects.
Not entirely correct. He could still get CEs provided they are board-wide (ie Allies gain such and such). He just couldn't get the CEs from the guys he is extending. However, if you're thinking of Mas as a combat unit worth giving a CE to, you're probably close to losing the match.
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I AM correct but saying "not entirely correct" has some merit. All the command effects affected by Booming Voice would gain unlimited range but those same command effects could not penetrate the closed doors without some inside help from a Mouse Droid. With Booming Voice not doing anything for board-wide effects those effects don't count.
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Just to help summarize here, because this is one of the more confusing situations in the game:
1) Closed doors stop you from counting range.
2) Some CEs in the game work by counting range to a target.
3) Some SAs in the game work by counting range to the target.
4) Booming Voice is a special ability. There is no "range" defined in the glossary definition for this special ability. It is, in effect, "boardwide". Open/closed doors don't matter because you don't need to count range if a range is not specified.
5) CEs that don't specify a range are also "boardwide" and GOWK's CE is an example. There is no range to the CE, but the CONDITIONS of the CE require that you count range to an ally. In this regard, GOWK's CE is not boosted by Mas and still works if GOWK is shut by himself in a room. Of course, if two characters are shut away from each other across a closed door, THAT would stop the CE, because they can't count range to each other to qualify as "an ally within 6 squares".
6. For CEs that do have a range, you have to count that range. Counting "within six squares" and counting an "unlimited range" is still counting a range. You can't count range through closed doors. You have to be able to count it, even if it is unlimited. So, a figure that is trapped in a room can't benefit from a CE that has a range, whether you are using Mas or not using Mas. Mas just makes the range unlimited, he doesn't remove the REQUIREMENT to be able to count range. Likewise, if a COMMANDER whose CE has a range gets trapped in a room, characters outside the room can't benefit from the CE, whether it is the printed range, or the unlimited range from Mas.
It definitely takes some mental chewing through, but hopefully this helps to summarize it all in one place for those that may not be experienced enough with the game to follow the logic yet.
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So I take it I am counting from the character providing the CE and NOT Mas. Mas just makes the character have unlimited range. The CE is not comming from Mas in this case. am I understanding this correct?
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Correct. Booming Voice is not Relay Orders.
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Correct. Booming Voice is not Relay Orders.
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