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would Cortosis Gauntlet affect the printed damage rating directly? I.e.: does it affect the damage BEFORE damage calculation or after? For example: Juhani attacks Jolee Bindo (without sith rage) and rolls a crit. Sicne she has vicous attack; it does triple damage. So if she was already cortosised by Roan Fel earlier in the game; would it do 0 damage ((20 - 20) x 3 = 0) or 40 damage (20 x 3 - 20 = 40)?
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Cortosis gauntlet applies as a bonus would, it just happens to be a negative bonus. It therefore applies after multiplying for a critical so in your example she would do 40 damage.
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Warlord_Hett wrote:Cortosis gauntlet applies as a bonus would, it just happens to be a negative bonus. It therefore applies after multiplying for a critical so in your example she would do 40 damage. ok; thanks for the clarification =)
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didn't know that. But imagine if GMLS got gauntleted!
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Durge4-LOM wrote:didn't know that. But imagine if GMLS got gauntleted! I dunno if this is right what im hearing. Cortosis when a character is affected by it with 20 printed damage on their card. It makes it basically that the printed damage now is 0. Now when scoring a critical hit, it says it doubles the damage done of the printed damage the figure hitting the critical has in this case 0. So if a character was hit by cortosis then that character has 0 printed damage now. If it hits a critical on a figure you would mutiply the new printed damage of 0 which would be 0x2 which is 0, & with vicious attack would be 0x3 which is still 0. The only way a character who has had cortosis on it to hit with doing damage would have to be from a bonus such as cunning attack or oppurtunist etc. any bonus that would grant extra damame in which vicious attack wouldnt mutiply that bonus.
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Darth Percocet wrote:Durge4-LOM wrote:didn't know that. But imagine if GMLS got gauntleted! I dunno if this is right what im hearing. Cortosis when a character is affected by it with 20 printed damage on their card. It makes it basically that the printed damage now is 0. Now when scoring a critical hit, it says it doubles the damage done of the printed damage the figure hitting the critical has in this case 0. So if a character was hit by cortosis then that character has 0 printed damage now. If it hits a critical on a figure you would mutiply the new printed damage of 0 which would be 0x2 which is 0, & with vicious attack would be 0x3 which is still 0. The only way a character who has had cortosis on it to hit with doing damage would have to be from a bonus such as cunning attack or oppurtunist etc. any bonus that would grant extra damame in which vicious attack wouldnt mutiply that bonus. I'm fairly certain that Cortosis Gauntlet works like a negative bonus (-20 damage), similar to how cunning/opportunist/etc act like a positive bonus. If it affected the printed damage rating, then it would specifically say so (which some abilities specifically do). A crit with 20 base damage and opportunist = (20*2) + 10, or 50 damage. A crit with 20 base damage after cortosis gaunlet = (20*2) - 20, or 20 damage.
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Darth Percocet wrote:Durge4-LOM wrote:didn't know that. But imagine if GMLS got gauntleted! I dunno if this is right what im hearing. Cortosis when a character is affected by it with 20 printed damage on their card. It makes it basically that the printed damage now is 0. Now when scoring a critical hit, it says it doubles the damage done of the printed damage the figure hitting the critical has in this case 0. So if a character was hit by cortosis then that character has 0 printed damage now. If it hits a critical on a figure you would mutiply the new printed damage of 0 which would be 0x2 which is 0, & with vicious attack would be 0x3 which is still 0. The only way a character who has had cortosis on it to hit with doing damage would have to be from a bonus such as cunning attack or oppurtunist etc. any bonus that would grant extra damame in which vicious attack wouldnt mutiply that bonus. This is incorrect. Cortosis Gauntlets doesn't affect a figures damage rating. It makes them do -20 Dam, which is applied at the same time as all other bonuses. So, printed damage x 2 - 20= damage dealt. This is covered in the FAQ.
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Sithborg wrote:Darth Percocet wrote:Durge4-LOM wrote:didn't know that. But imagine if GMLS got gauntleted! I dunno if this is right what im hearing. Cortosis when a character is affected by it with 20 printed damage on their card. It makes it basically that the printed damage now is 0. Now when scoring a critical hit, it says it doubles the damage done of the printed damage the figure hitting the critical has in this case 0. So if a character was hit by cortosis then that character has 0 printed damage now. If it hits a critical on a figure you would mutiply the new printed damage of 0 which would be 0x2 which is 0, & with vicious attack would be 0x3 which is still 0. The only way a character who has had cortosis on it to hit with doing damage would have to be from a bonus such as cunning attack or oppurtunist etc. any bonus that would grant extra damame in which vicious attack wouldnt mutiply that bonus. This is incorrect. Cortosis Gauntlets doesn't affect a figures damage rating. It makes them do -20 Dam, which is applied at the same time as all other bonuses. So, printed damage x 2 - 20= damage dealt. This is covered in the FAQ. Funny scott because i asked this question about a year ago & im describing on this thread exactly how you described it to me because i copy down all rules that arent in the faq or books that it takes a mod to explain, so what i said is exactly how you Sithborg explained it. Then double checking cortosis gauntlet in the glossary it states that if a character has say a 20 damage rating printed on there card, that it takes that damage rating & turns it to 0, only way to gain any kind of damage back when you had this done to you is to have an ability that grants extra damage. Mod Edit: Removed baiting content.
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You will pardon me if I do not remember a thread from a year ago. Feel free to double check with Nickname or on WOTC. But the modifier for Cortosis is applied in the same steps as bonuses, AFTER critical hits double the printed value. In neither the rulebook or Nicknames Glossary does Cortosis state that it changes the printed damage value of a character, so it is applied like a bonus. If I left crits off in my explanation, I am sorry, but it sounds like you misunderstood my answer.
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Sithborg wrote:You will pardon me if I do not remember a thread from a year ago. Feel free to double check with Nickname or on WOTC. But the modifier for Cortosis is applied in the same steps as bonuses, AFTER critical hits double the printed value. In neither the rulebook or Nicknames Glossary does Cortosis state that it changes the printed damage value of a character, so it is applied like a bonus. If I left crits off in my explanation, I am sorry, but it sounds like you misunderstood my answer. I dont doubt you scott, i like you never had a problem with you, just seems that when i first started answering rules that you always said i was incorrect, so i started copying all the stuff you explained to me on rules so that i know them for sure because you do know all the rules i wont doubt you there buddy. But im telling you that i just explained it exactly how you did to me a year ago. Hey maybe you didnt know the rule quite as well as you do now & it could of been 2 years ago not too sure. Im just saying everytime i answer something & explain it, you say im wrong. Then you'll explain under where you say im wrong on the same thread im wrong exactly how i explained it & say because i put it in a different content i was wrong when a few accasions people said on the same thread when you did that, that we both explain the rule exactly the same way. I just think you dont like me & instead of helping people learn the rule right you just like to put me down. Its a game dude, if you dont like me thats fine i really could care less honestly but dont insult me on a public thread by saying im always wrong.thats all i ask. Your the top 5 reasons why i left the site for so long & probably when im done selling my mini's will probably leave again. Your cocky to me when i show you nothin but respect & for a dude like me thats hard to do to sit here & bite my toughe but you do alot for the site, probably more than everyone else on here just stop puttin me down.
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There is always a risk being wrong when you answer a rules question, even me. If you don't want to risk being wrong, don't answer. I don't particularly want to explain that while the end result is the same, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right answer, again.
And this thread is done.
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