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Got a squad built around Dass Jennir, but its funcionality is largely based on an assumption I've made about his Dispassionate Killer SA. Because there's no timing listed in the definition text, I'm wondering if the following would work: Activate Princess Leia; at the end of her turn, use her CE to have Jennir make an attack. Before his 'bonus' attack, pop off Dispassionate Killer. Activate a Bothan Noble; use his CE to give Jennir another bonus attack, presumably with DP still active. Make your next activation Jennir; have him make his attack(s), with DP still active. At the end of his turn, make the DP saving roll; if he flubs it (and you have a Force Point... which you should) spend it to reroll and hope he lives to wreck another round. Would this work? The SA specifies that he gets the Attack and Damage bonuses until the end of his turn, and that you make the save at the end of his turn... but there's nothing I've found that restricts when you activate the effect. Thanks-in-advance for any clarification on this. 
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If a character uses Dispassionate Killer outside of their own turn, the effect lasts until the end of the turn it was used on at which point the save would be made. This is covered in the ability's glossary definition.
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Uhm... just checked the Glossary here, and this is the definition verbatim:
Dispassionate Killer
Force 1: +4 Attack and +20 Damage until the end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn, make a save of 11. If the save fails, this character is immediately defeated.
Is the Glossary on this site out-dated? Not trying to be a jerk, but the way it reads to me is; 'at the end of this character's turn, make the save' since it follows the sentence outlining the duration of the effect.
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Dispassionate Killer: (Force; 1 Force point) A character using this Force power gets a +4 bonus to Attack and a +20 bonus to Damage on all its attacks until the end of this character’s turn. At the end of that turn, this character must make a save of 11 or higher. If it fails the save, it is immediately defeated. Dispassionate Killer works even when the character is making an attack of opportunity or other attack outside of this character’s turn; in that situation, the effect ends and the save is made at the end of the turn the power is used
The glossary on this site, while not incorrect, is not necessarily complete. When someone refers you to a resource, check the link at the top of the page. Those are the official rules resources that should be cited.
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Oh. I'm sorry... what glossary should I have gone to? I can't find a glossary link outside the one that appears on this site (from which I nabbed the definition I posted above). Wasn't trying to be lazy or contrary; thank you for the clarification. My intended use of DP still kind of works, but I would have to activate it (and make the save) during each turn I want to use the ability.
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www.the-holocron.com, the rules section is linked directly from the Rules Link sticky at the top of the forum. Nickname was kind enough to compile the "doomsday" edition of the glossary, since there were 5 sets after the last rulebook was printed.
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Excellent. Thanks for the link, and again for the clarification on the ability.
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bowgreii wrote:My intended use of DP still kind of works, but I would have to activate it (and make the save) during each turn I want to use the ability. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think you can just keep spending FPs to use the ability every time Dass gets to make an immediate CE-granted attack; CEs that grant attacks don't grant another turn, just an attack. Since Dass isn't getting another turn, I don't think you can use the ability outside of his usual activation (or at least the bonus granted by the FP only applies during the turn, not the extra attack). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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SuperYodaMan wrote:bowgreii wrote:My intended use of DP still kind of works, but I would have to activate it (and make the save) during each turn I want to use the ability. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think you can just keep spending FPs to use the ability every time Dass gets to make an immediate CE-granted attack; CEs that grant attacks don't grant another turn, just an attack. Since Dass isn't getting another turn, I don't think you can use the ability outside of his usual activation (or at least the bonus granted by the FP only applies during the turn, not the extra attack). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Generally speaking, the immediate attacks/AoO's do happen on a different turn, and on different turns, you can spend Force Points again. And it has been ruled that you can use this ability outside the character's turn.
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It works... would just be a heckuva risk to take. Would probably be better-served by upping the build to 200-pt., running YoD out to get himself splattered and dump 6 add'l. FP on Jennir/be able to use FP twice a turn. ...Or maybe I should just accept that Dass Jennir isn't as busted as I'd hoped.
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