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Lightsaber Throw 3 - Target Allies? Options
adamb0nd
Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:27:18 PM
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Yoda's Saberthrow 3 states it targets all characters adjacent to the target. does this include allies?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:44:57 PM
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Yes, If an allied character or the acting character is adjacent to the target, they will be attacked as well. However, the attacks made against the characters adjacent to the target are not considered targeted attacks.

Also, you cannot target an ally directly, only an enemy.
Sithborg
Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:19:34 PM
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EmporerDragon wrote:
However, the attacks made against the characters adjacent to the target are not considered targeted attacks.


Not exactly. Since Throw doesn't state it doesn't follow the normal targetting rules, it is still technically a targetted attack, even if it is allows you to attack an ally.
urbanjedi
Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:09:53 AM
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Are you sure it is targeted? I thought only the orignal character was the target and the rest were non-targeted which was how you could hit characters with stealth, superstealth, and your ally as you can never target your ally.
Jester007
Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:12:39 AM
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Sithborg wrote:
Not exactly. Since Throw doesn't state it doesn't follow the normal targetting rules, it is still technically a targetted attack, even if it is allows you to attack an ally.


I always thought of the "collateral" attacks made by LST 3/5 to be similar to the attacks from a sweep.

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adamb0nd
Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:22:58 AM
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This threw me off. I didn't think you could ever roll an attack against an allied character. Then I remembered bombad... I think thats the only other situation in the game where you can find yourself actually attacking your own pieces. (Now abilities that call for a save are a completely different story).

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Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:42:12 AM
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Lightsaber Throw 3: (Force: 3 Force points) Instead of taking its normal turn, a character using this Force power chooses an enemy within line of sight, even if it is in cover and is not the nearest enemy. (Even an enemy with Stealth can be chosen.) This character makes an attack against the chosen enemy and an additional attack against each character adjacent to it (enemies and allies alike).


I read this part - "chooses an enemy..." = target (albeit without all the usual restrictions) The rest are non-targeted attacks.

Just how I read it. I have yet to pass the bar to rules lawyerdom. ;)
Sithborg
Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:32:15 AM
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Please see Gallopping Attack vs Strafe Attack. Unless it specically says so, all attacks target, even those that allow you to attack allies.
I believe there was a good thread pre Gencon that dealt with this, prepping for the dreaded JarJar.
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Sithborg wrote:
Please see Gallopping Attack vs Strafe Attack. Unless it specically says so, all attacks target, even those that allow you to attack allies.
I believe there was a good thread pre Gencon that dealt with this, prepping for the dreaded JarJar.


Thanks, I'll look for that. If JarJar is involved in the discussion, I'll be sure to have some Advil handy, lol.
Big D
Posted: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:54:00 AM
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Im sorry, but I thought you could only Target enemies unless you were "Targeting" with Dominate.Blink
It even says that you have to choose an enemy to attack.Confused
I also thought that adjacent characters would be effected by the throw (Which I thought I learned from Vaders Throw 5)
I'm not understanding how one of my allies can be targeted by LS 3.
Sithborg
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ALL attacks are considered to target unless SPECIFICALLY stated otherwise. The only current exceptions are: Attack of Opportunities, Lightsaber Sweep, and Strafe Attack. This is because the rulebook specifically states that they do not follow normal targetting rules. Certain abilities allow you to bypass certain targetting rules, but still, if it isn't one of the three exceptions I listed, it is considered a "targetted" attack, thus triggers all when targetted abilities.
Jester007
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Big D wrote:
I'm not understanding how one of my allies can be targeted by LS 3.


LST 3 works almost exactly like LST 5. The difference is that with LST 3, you only attack the origional target and each adjacent character once. With LST 5, you attack each character twice.

Now, if you manage to get GMY within 6 squares of only one enemy and use LST 3, then you get Twin Attack against every character.

Sincerely,
Jester007
Big D
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Jester007 wrote:
Big D wrote:
I'm not understanding how one of my allies can be targeted by LS 3.


LST 3 works almost exactly like LST 5. The difference is that with LST 3, you only attack the origional target and each adjacent character once. With LST 5, you attack each character twice.

Now, if you manage to get GMY within 6 squares of only one enemy and use LST 3, then you get Twin Attack against every character.

Sincerely,
Jester007

thank you Jester
BlooMilk
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Posted: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:27:01 AM
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Sithborg wrote:
ALL attacks are considered to target unless SPECIFICALLY stated otherwise. The only current exceptions are: Attack of Opportunities, Lightsaber Sweep, and Strafe Attack. This is because the rulebook specifically states that they do not follow normal targetting rules. Certain abilities allow you to bypass certain targetting rules, but still, if it isn't one of the three exceptions I listed, it is considered a "targetted" attack, thus triggers all when targetted abilities.


Ah, now I see it clearly. Thanks. BlooMilk
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