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General Ed
Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:53:32 AM
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I have been watching this show since it first aired. I enjoy the clone wars era a lot. I have comic books, novels, and what ever else depicting/ describing this time frame of Star Wars history. I have long held much of these to be cannon. They have great stories that do not conflict with each other on time lines. I'm sure I am not the only one.

Then season 3 of the show aired. Right from the beginning they smashed all I held to be true to pieces. I complained to my fellow Star Wars friends. They complained as well. Why would they rip a part an already well established story line? They barveized it. Does any one else feel this way? What are your thoughts?
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General Ed wrote:
I have been watching this show since it first aired. I enjoy the clone wars era a lot. I have comic books, novels, and what ever else depicting/ describing this time frame of Star Wars history. I have long held much of these to be cannon. They have great stories that do not conflict with each other on time lines. I'm sure I am not the only one.

Then season 3 of the show aired. Right from the beginning they smashed all I held to be true to pieces. I complained to my fellow Star Wars friends. They complained as well. Why would they rip a part an already well established story line? They barveized it. Does any one else feel this way? What are your thoughts?


STAR WARS IS RUINED FOREVER! Cursing

but then again I didn't cut my teeth on the OT like some of the old folks here, I grew up knowing only the special editions perfering them over the other stuff,I enjoy Eps 1,2 and 3 over the OT.So, i jsut shrug my shoulders at any change go with the flow....
General Ed
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trappedslider wrote:
STAR WARS IS RUINED FOREVER! Cursing

but then again I didn't cut my teeth on the OT like some of the old folks here, I grew up knowing only the special editions perfering them over the other stuff,I enjoy Eps 1,2 and 3 over the OT.So, i jsut shrug my shoulders at any change go with the flow....


I don't mind most of the changes they made in the OT. I just don't like that they changed Anikens Force Spirit to be the younger Ani. I also don't like the music at the end of Ep.6.
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Ok, I understand that Star Wars: The Clone Wars is geared towards a younger generation and has Ahsoka in there to attract young girls into watching the show and thus getting hooked into Star Wars so that George Lucas & Company can make more money (not entirely serious, but just trying to get a point accross). I have no problem with Ahsoka except for the fact of her having such a huge roll. She's still a stupid little PADAWAN!!! Yet here she is being given command of entire squadrons, platoons, etc. and can pull rank on Rex?! NO F'IN WAY!!!!

I just wish that a show would be made that was more talored towards the grown-ups. Don't care if it's animated or live action, as long as the story and acting is good.

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I quit watching the show. Once they started tearing into established cannon I gave up because it just smacked of greed rather than good story telling.

The mando stuff was nuts. I much rather read the Republic Commando novels and I take that as cannon for adults with a brain. I also think that in reading of ORder 66 by Traviss she actually gets into the depths of Palpatines plot and shows how brilliant it was much better than even Lucas could do.

So nope no watchy for me anymore.
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I don't even get excited anymore. I'm an unabashed Star Wars fanoi and used to get peeved. I don't even think it's about money. I sometimes wish it were. Lucas has simply gone off the deep end. He took a great movie like Hidden Fortress, added the ending of Dam Busters and made a great blockbuster called Star Wars. Kirshner directed Empire because Lucas really didn't care. It was Empire that really sent the franchise skyrocketing. Lucas took back over for Return and the rest is sad history. Lucas simply has no use for canon. He is convinced of he is a modern day Homer due to Joseph Campbell's influence. The fans kept Star Wars alive between the trilogies and GL returned 12 years ago to stomp the sand castle in his sandbox to smithereens. In short, the writers under his direction just make it up as they go along. The Force Unleashed is no better. Now we have Starkiller in Vader's role at Hoth. What happened in the OT is of a bygone era. It might as well be written off as an alternate universe. I promise you, GL and company are not going to stop. Before its all said and done the story of Anakin will not even resemble the first three movies.
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dnemiller wrote:
I quit watching the show. Once they started tearing into established cannon I gave up because it just smacked of greed rather than good story telling.

The mando stuff was nuts. I much rather read the Republic Commando novels and I take that as cannon for adults with a brain. I also think that in reading of ORder 66 by Traviss she actually gets into the depths of Palpatines plot and shows how brilliant it was much better than even Lucas could do.

So nope no watchy for me anymore.


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Rikalonius wrote:
I don't even get excited anymore. I'm an unabashed Star Wars fanoi and used to get peeved. I don't even think it's about money. I sometimes wish it were. Lucas has simply gone off the deep end. He took a great movie like Hidden Fortress, added the ending of Dam Busters and made a great blockbuster called Star Wars. Kirshner directed Empire because Lucas really didn't care. It was Empire that really sent the franchise skyrocketing. Lucas took back over for Return and the rest is sad history. Lucas simply has no use for canon. He is convinced of he is a modern day Homer due to Joseph Campbell's influence. The fans kept Star Wars alive between the trilogies and GL returned 12 years ago to stomp the sand castle in his sandbox to smithereens. In short, the writers under his direction just make it up as they go along. The Force Unleashed is no better. Now we have Starkiller in Vader's role at Hoth. What happened in the OT is of a bygone era. It might as well be written off as an alternate universe. I promise you, GL and company are not going to stop. Before its all said and done the story of Anakin will not even resemble the first three movies.


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Squid89
Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:05:08 AM
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I long ago took the idea that it is GL's galaxy and he can do whatever he wants with it. He is a visionary albeit not the best storyteller. He has a way of getting things done to his method - even if the technology does not exist. You might not like the initial story, but the impact on the movie industry and pop culture in general is unquestionable. 34 years is a pretty good run for a movie's influence, I'd say.

That being said, the CW has its ups and downs like any series. In the grand scheme of the galaxy and the war, Ahsoka does not have as big a role as it appears. The stories simply focus on what she does accomplish. Barriss is even more accomplished in her exploits but not as well documented onscreen and she's a padawan for the most part. Sure some of it is a bit overboard, but that's the beauty of animation. Although they come close to live action style scenes from time to time, it is still a cartoon about a fictional galaxy and should be fun.

I'm an OT guy (back before it was called A New Hope), but am enjoying the CW for what it is worth - fun for me to watch and new SW to see. I love reading the books, but enjoy the fast paced storytelling onscreen at times, too. I have a feeling the last few episodes this season are going to end in a bang. Hopefully, those of you who have given up on the series give it a last chance for redemption. There is still good in the series, I can sense it. lol

It's hard not to notice the impact the series does have based on the passionate comments (good and bad) from many adults across the spectrum. That's good entertainment value for me! :) The technical 3D animation accomplishments are worth it if nothing else.

Wow, that was quite a rambling post - good for you if you made it this far.
dreadtech
Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:36:10 AM
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I still watch it and enjoy the show, It's not perfect but still watchable.
Sithborg
Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:43:01 AM
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dnemiller wrote:
I quit watching the show. Once they started tearing into established cannon I gave up because it just smacked of greed rather than good story telling.

The mando stuff was nuts. I much rather read the Republic Commando novels and I take that as cannon for adults with a brain. I also think that in reading of ORder 66 by Traviss she actually gets into the depths of Palpatines plot and shows how brilliant it was much better than even Lucas could do.

So nope no watchy for me anymore.


If you are willing to jiggle things around a bit, the CW stuff actually works. It is no more than what all of use who actually read the pre PT EU books had to do when the PT stuff came out. Seriously, how is the Satine change any different from the change of NOMADIC warriors into Klingons that Traviss did. I'm sorry, Traviss is not some bastion of EU that can't be changed or reworked.

Seriously, Ahsoka and the Savage Arc ending deals bigger blows to continuity to the EU than ANYTHING that has to deal with the Mandos. And they can still be worked into existing works.

If you are willing to accept some possible changes, just like what happened when the PT came out, you can easily enjoy the Clone Wars. There are so many awesome things and episodes introduced in the show, that you only hurt yourself.
dnemiller
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I appeciate what you are saying Scott. But Clone Wars became a little too cartoonsy.

I remember as a kid watching the original Batman with Adam West. It was freaking great. Now I watch it and think what the hell was I thinking???

That is kind of where Clone Wars cartoon has gone with me prior to cannon messing. The messing with Cannon was just the last straw for me. Seriously they have four and half years of undocumented war and they have to mess with cannon????

World War 2 was completely documented but story that have not been told keep surfacing and making great stories of heriocs. I just dont see where it is so hard to leave cannon alone. The EU books rely on two things great story telling and our imaginations to picture the characters and stories being told. For me they always trump some weakly told stories that try to mind boggle us with special effects. No I prefer the story telling over the in your face cartoonsy stories.

It is my opinion (not really caring if others agree) that the EU books have had much better stories and plots than Lucas could have ever given us. I look at Zahn, Traviss, Stackpole, Allston and Denning as such folks that accomplish these things.
Sithborg
Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:01:38 AM
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No doubt that the Clone Wars has had some weak episodes. Most series do. When it's good, though, it can be pretty good. Season 3 has been a fairly mismatched season, but there have been some real gems.

Much like the EU. See: Waru.
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The one thing I'm pissed off about with the Clone Wars? Russel T Davies - the mastermind behind the Doctor Who revival - was offered a chance to write a script and turned it down. That would have been a side order of Amazing smothered in Awesome Sauce.

Of course we would have wound up with gay Jedi, someone named Tyler and a WHOOOOOLE mess of continuity porn! :)
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Desslok wrote:
The one thing I'm pissed off about with the Clone Wars? Russel T Davies - the mastermind behind the Doctor Who revival - was offered a chance to write a script and turned it down. That would have been a side order of Amazing smothered in Awesome Sauce.

Of course we would have wound up with gay Jedi, someone named Tyler and a WHOOOOOLE mess of continuity porn! :)

That would have been cool.
Interestingly, Dave Filoni, Who works With Gl making the Clone Wars , had said that they were considering using BAne and Revan in the last story arc concerning Mortis. That in itself was pretty interesting. What I don't get is that he said they had to cut out the scenes because The Sith are unable to join to the force and come back as Force Ghosts. He said that they were so worried about Star wars Cannon ect. The Whole interview is on Star Wars .com.... What about the implications of Maul coming back. and all the other crazy things. I get the Feeling GL Definitely thinks all this is Canon. Ohh Sure thing George....!!! I gotchaRollEyes
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qvos wrote:
Desslok wrote:
The one thing I'm pissed off about with the Clone Wars? Russel T Davies - the mastermind behind the Doctor Who revival - was offered a chance to write a script and turned it down. That would have been a side order of Amazing smothered in Awesome Sauce.

Of course we would have wound up with gay Jedi, someone named Tyler and a WHOOOOOLE mess of continuity porn! :)

That would have been cool.
Interestingly, Dave Filoni, Who works With Gl making the Clone Wars , had said that they were considering using BAne and Revan in the last story arc concerning Mortis. That in itself was pretty interesting. What I don't get is that he said they had to cut out the scenes because The Sith are unable to join to the force and come back as Force Ghosts. He said that they were so worried about Star wars Cannon ect. The Whole interview is on Star Wars .com.... What about the implications of Maul coming back. and all the other crazy things. I get the Feeling GL Definitely thinks all this is Canon. Ohh Sure thing George....!!! I gotchaRollEyes


Thats what happens when you get old and hang on, you start missing bits and forgetting stuff. Pass the tourch George.

On Mr Davies, I think that was a smart call from him.
If you look at the new Doctor Whos, he knows what he is writting about and who he's writting it for. Keeping canon and the Fans. Because they care and will happily spend monies on it if it is shown respect.

StarWars canon saddly got shot to sh*t in Episode 1 and has continued eversince, it was controlled through damage reduction thanks to the heroic efforts of many of the EU games, comic and story book writers but the Clone Wars came along and destroyed the added/fixed 'damage control' altogether!
I'd love to watch clone wars, but ashoka was the first thing then CW canon level overruled EU canon level, nah your missing the point here lucas! Stop being greedY!
I watched the mortis episodes and that sums it all up for me. Cool amazing StarWars story line that gets us back on track and shows us...uh no wait it was all just a dream...Crying

Is Ashoka a dream? Ani has know memory about her in the films, nor do any of the other jedi! And the more times they put Asaj and Savage into it the harder it will be to fix that in the canon line!! Unless of course he is going to remake the whole film series...think of the money he'll make!!! Yep he probably will then.
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While I'm not the hugest fan of the Clone Wars, I still watch it every week, and just picked up season 1 on DVD so I can watch it in German, which may make it more enjoyable.

The fact is, I'm just happy to have some new star wars to watch each week. It doesn't bother me that much if it messes with canon because I'm not overly familiar with CW era canon. I haven't finished the comic book series yet and have not read any CW era books.
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The cartoons have some cool stuff... get a cuppa when something crap is happening
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CerousMutor wrote:
qvos wrote:
Desslok wrote:
The one thing I'm pissed off about with the Clone Wars? Russel T Davies - the mastermind behind the Doctor Who revival - was offered a chance to write a script and turned it down. That would have been a side order of Amazing smothered in Awesome Sauce.

Of course we would have wound up with gay Jedi, someone named Tyler and a WHOOOOOLE mess of continuity porn! :)

That would have been cool.
Interestingly, Dave Filoni, Who works With Gl making the Clone Wars , had said that they were considering using BAne and Revan in the last story arc concerning Mortis. That in itself was pretty interesting. What I don't get is that he said they had to cut out the scenes because The Sith are unable to join to the force and come back as Force Ghosts. He said that they were so worried about Star wars Cannon ect. The Whole interview is on Star Wars .com.... What about the implications of Maul coming back. and all the other crazy things. I get the Feeling GL Definitely thinks all this is Canon. Ohh Sure thing George....!!! I gotchaRollEyes


Thats what happens when you get old and hang on, you start missing bits and forgetting stuff. Pass the tourch George.

On Mr Davies, I think that was a smart call from him.
If you look at the new Doctor Whos, he knows what he is writting about and who he's writting it for. Keeping canon and the Fans. Because they care and will happily spend monies on it if it is shown respect.

StarWars canon saddly got shot to sh*t in Episode 1 and has continued eversince, it was controlled through damage reduction thanks to the heroic efforts of many of the EU games, comic and story book writers but the Clone Wars came along and destroyed the added/fixed 'damage control' altogether!
I'd love to watch clone wars, but ashoka was the first thing then CW canon level overruled EU canon level, nah your missing the point here lucas! Stop being greedY!
I watched the mortis episodes and that sums it all up for me. Cool amazing StarWars story line that gets us back on track and shows us...uh no wait it was all just a dream...Crying

Is Ashoka a dream? Ani has know memory about her in the films, nor do any of the other jedi! And the more times they put Asaj and Savage into it the harder it will be to fix that in the canon line!! Unless of course he is going to remake the whole film series...think of the money he'll make!!! Yep he probably will then.

That would really suck if Anikan Wakes up shortly before Ep III, sometime during the Battle of Cato-Nemoidia and Discovers that He has had this incredible dream... One of this Togrutan Padawan, Crazy Force Planets, and Obi-Wan's Ex-Girlfriend from Mandalore...
Abiwan
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Sithborg wrote:
No doubt that the Clone Wars has had some weak episodes. Most series do. When it's good, though, it can be pretty good. Season 3 has been a fairly mismatched season, but there have been some real gems.

Much like the EU. See: Waru.


I agree with Sithborg, you know what, itd's good to have something Star Wars every weekend and guys why so serious ... chilled. Anything canon can be reverse and vice versa .Laugh ...
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