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I have read in a few places about how the v-set unleashed a piled of broken and under-costed figs and combos on the game and I've been thinking about it. Here are the most under-costed/broken combos I could think of (I'm sure there are more):
17 points Mas Amedda/Doombot - Booming Voice, Tow Cable and Override
23 points General Dodonna/General Rieekan - Total Activation Control, Evade, Mobile Attack
39 points Lobot/Gha Nachkt - Override, Reinforcements, 2 point Mouse Droids
40 points Thrawn/Mas Amedda - Booming Voice, board-wide Swap, Master Tactician, Opportunist
42 points Yammosk/Nen Yim - Booming Voice, Telepathic Insight, War Coordinator, Master Shaper, Shaper
Interesting things is the combo with dotf figs is the most expensive on that list, in a weak faction and not necessarily the best one. What other problematic combos do you see in the game? And do people think the v-set figs are any worse for this? To my mind, WotC made a whole pile of under-costed figs and crazy combos. Opinions?
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Personally, I'll always hate Yodabuck. Lancer is bad, but at least it doesn't take many hits to kill it, and it can't selectively choose not to attack. Dodonna sucks. Except when you're running him. 
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Agreed sashlon. 23 points for tempo, mobile, evade wasn't well thought out at all. Be that as it may, all factions have access to powerful combos. People will just have to learn to adapt to meta changes.
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I would modify the Republic Combo slightly:
40 points Mas Amedda/Doombot/Panaka: "Booming Voice/Tow Cable/Override/Board Wide Swap/Bodyguard"
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swinefeld wrote:Dodonna sucks. Except when you're running him. I would dare go as far as to say that Dodonna sucks even when you play with him. The knowledge that your opponent, no matter how well he hides it, just died a little inside when you revealed Dodonna sucks. The boring activation of uggies, mice and ERCs while you wait for your opponent to run out of activations sucks. Basically boredom and guilt, all for 9 points. Bargain.
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wannabe mexican wrote:swinefeld wrote:Dodonna sucks. Except when you're running him. I would dare go as far as to say that Dodonna sucks even when you play with him. The knowledge that your opponent, no matter how well he hides it, just died a little inside when you revealed Dodonna sucks. The boring activation of uggies, mice and ERCs while you wait for your opponent to run out of activations sucks. Basically boredom and guilt, all for 9 points. Bargain. I cannot argue with this. lol
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njarnagin wrote:I would modify the Republic Combo slightly:
40 points Mas Amedda/Doombot/Panaka: "Booming Voice/Tow Cable/Override/Board Wide Swap/Bodyguard" Agreed. Easy access to probably the 2 best movement breakers in the game plus all the other goodies (Override, Bodyguard, a moderate shooter). Then you just add in Yobuck and your Republic squad can get practically anywhere on the whole map! General Wedge or General Rieekan + TBSV is a combo which isn't really broken, but is right at the edge. If Rebels or NR ever get easy access to a Twin or Extra Attack CE, that combo would definitely become broken. Whorm + Sora Bulq is quite nasty, too. Get a Double/Twin attacker with Djem So and Lightsaber Throw, making Sora's damage output both high and versatile.
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NVM
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I always felt as soon as Mas was released that that piece would be in every squad. I 've always felt he was way undercosted as a sole figure. Pared with Panaka and doombot. Way undercosted. Dodonna and Reikann.. Not even fair.
I think people are just reaching to find something to complain about the V-sets. I think the v-sets have done way more balancing out of factions then breaking them!
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qvos wrote: I think people are just reaching to find something to complain about the V-sets. I think the v-sets have done way more balancing out of factions then breaking them! This is my opinion too 
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qvos wrote:I think the v-sets have done way more balancing out of factions then breaking them!
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Maybe I just got a little fired up because of one of the threads talking about an option to edit out the v-set figures from the squad building section. I really do think they did a real nice job designing these new figures. If you do think they should not be used because they were not made by Wizos, then I think you are missing out.
as far as balancing out the game , I love the fact that Mandoes now stand a chance against Lancer teams, Dodonna Reikan teams can be countered. Old Republic can be played effectively. Sith teams aren't getting SMOKED all the time, (Although they still lack evade ) And yes, Although Ive only played Vong 1 time in almost 7 years, Yes the Vong are now a viable option. It's great and I look forward to the next sets!
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I totally agree, and that was my motivation for this thread.
I don't understand why people need to take shots at something so many members of the community worked so hard on. I guess I might see it if the set was terrible, but the truth is that Destiny of the Force is a fantastic set. So is Renegades and Rogues.
This is how we keep our game & community going, and I just don't see why some one would want to opt out of that.
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Sashlon wrote:This is how we keep our game & community going, and I just don't see why some one would want to opt out of that. I'd be curious to see just what the nay-sayers are actually doing themselves to keep the game going. We've got to do SOMETHING to keep the game fresh, or it dies a slow but sure death from the stagnation brought on by WOTC's pull out. Personally, I think we're on the right track. Now, to get back on topic... I am of the opinion that any discussion of broken pieces should include the ultimate litmus test: tournament results involving the best players in the game playing in the most important tournaments in the game. The best players will play the most broken pieces when the stakes are highest. What combination on that list has been on the last 3 championship squads at GenCon? Dodonna and Rieeken. Upcoming regionals will help tell us if DotF has done enough to break that domination.
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Darth_Jim wrote:Sashlon wrote:This is how we keep our game & community going, and I just don't see why some one would want to opt out of that. I'd be curious to see just what the nay-sayers are actually doing themselves to keep the game going. We've got to do SOMETHING to keep the game fresh, or it dies a slow but sure death from the stagnation brought on by WOTC's pull out. Personally, I think we're on the right track. Now, to get back on topic... I am of the opinion that any discussion of broken pieces should include the ultimate litmus test: tournament results involving the best players in the game playing in the most important tournaments in the game. The best players will play the most broken pieces when the stakes are highest. What combination on that list has been on the last 3 championship squads at GenCon? Dodonna and Rieeken. Upcoming regionals will help tell us if DotF has done enough to break that domination. Agree totally! I also got to thinking, Most of the players in our area who don't think DOTF should be used are all players who've been playing for less then maybe a year and a half. I'm wondering why this is so. Most of the sets they've gotten have either been Lots on Ebay or Target Booster packs. My only conclusion is that they don't have all the pieces to be able to make such a decision. I understand that it's totally up to the person but these ones won't ever want to play in tourneys until they decide to accept the v set figs. This game is all about strategy. The more options the better. Here's how I felt before the v-sets.In a competitive game Who am I going to face.. Ahhhhh Evade, and Mobile... Ohh no wait. Greater Mobile... Ohh You have Luke's Snow speeder , Han also, with Leia. ....AGAIN???? Well not always but unless I gave in and played it which I hated doing. That's not parity, And that's how Wizos left it. A extremely glorified RISK.. Ohhh You are going for Australia........... Winning that game is a matter of following the same simple recipe. I 'm just so glad that there seem to be so many options in SWMinis. 
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Darth_Jim wrote:
I am of the opinion that any discussion of broken pieces should include the ultimate litmus test: tournament results involving the best players in the game playing in the most important tournaments in the game. The best players will play the most broken pieces when the stakes are highest. What combination on that list has been on the last 3 championship squads at GenCon? Dodonna and Rieeken. Upcoming regionals will help tell us if DotF has done enough to break that domination.
Just to clarify, it was the last two championship squads. In 2008, I chose to use a HBG instead of Dodonna, which was key to my win because I was hit with a disintegration in two different games. Reeikan wasn't out yet. The third mini in that triumvirate, and often forgotten is Princess Leia. She has been in all of the last three championship squads, and has made the top 8 since the release of A&E (2007-2010).
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billiv15 wrote:
Just to clarify, it was the last two championship squads. In 2008, I chose to use a HBG instead of Dodonna, which was key to my win because I was hit with a disintegration in two different games. Reeikan wasn't out yet.
The third mini in that triumvirate, and often forgotten is Princess Leia. She has been in all of the last three championship squads, and has made the top 8 since the release of A&E (2007-2010).
Good point. I don't think your squad relied on activation control anyways. So, the Han/Leia combo perhaps is the best combo of all based purely on Gencon results.
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Uggo + Rieekan, or Uggo + Gen Wedge
I mean, walk up to the door, blow it up, and then just walk out of LOS.. how broken is that???
Gen Windu + FLObi + Maris Brood
8 attacks! good lord!
Palps on Potty
He can evade and reroll! all on his own. But he can't move, rediculous.
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Darth Revan and Darth Bane.................................. Oh wait you said undercosted not overcosted combos 
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Sashlon wrote:I have read in a few places about how the v-set unleashed a piled of broken and under-costed figs and combos It would be interesting to hear their reasoning I suppose, but the conclusion is wrong. Quote: Here are the most under-costed/broken combos I could think of You're equally wrong. None of that stuff breaks the game. Much of it is pretty necessary. Two things arguably broke the game (the second much more arguable than the first). 1) Override in its early form allowed victory through unintended means with virtually no counter except bringing override yourself. 2) Soresu Style Mastery on GOWK created a situation where it was virtually impossible to play a tournament game to conclusion in the allotted time, radically reshaping the metagame. Both these items have been sufficiently addressed in the tournament rules leaving a pretty well "unbroken" game for WotC purists and DotF hasn't done anything to change that that I've seen for those who choose to move forward with the VSets.
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