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Double Attack reads:
(On his turn, this character can make 1 extra attack instead of moving)
Lightsaber Assault reads:
(Force 1, replaces attacks: Make 2 attacks)
Bane has both plus Master of the Force 2 (May spend Force points up to 2 times in a single turn)
This came up in my recent Tournament game. I figured this meant he could make 4 attacks in one round. If he didn't move he should be able to attack twice due to double attack. My reasoning was, if he can use a force point to replace one attack with two and has two attacks he can therefore attack 4 times. People have agreed with my reading of this in other games I've played, but not Creme. I'm a newb so I'm sure he is right, but can someone explain why and how I am reading these abilities wrong?
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The key is that Lightsaber Assault replaces attackS. It means you can either do your normal attacks, or spend a forcepoint to use this power and not use your normal double attacks.
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Terrence Withers
the situation looks like this:
Either he(BAne) moves and does the sith rage+l.assault making his 2 attack for 30 damage OR he doesn't move- uses 2 force points to do sith rage and l.assault making 4 attacks into adjacent enemy each for 30 damage.
Simple, isn't it?
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komix wrote:Terrence Withers
the situation looks like this:
Either he(BAne) moves and does the sith rage+l.assault making his 2 attack for 30 damage OR he doesn't move- uses 2 force points to do sith rage and l.assault making 4 attacks into adjacent enemy each for 30 damage.
Simple, isn't it?
Lightsaber Assault replaces attacks. So it is either move and make your normal attack, stay still and make your double attacks, OR spend a force point and use Lightsaber Assault, INSTEAD of your normal attacks. The benefit is that you can move and make 2 attacks. You can't use double attack and LS Assault together.
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I always thought the only time you get 4 attacks with LA is on Twin Attack.
Because Twin attack is your 1 normal attack. Adding LA then makes it 4 attacks against the same opponent, or 2 attacks againts 2 opponents.
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CerousMutor is correct. Unless you have Greater Mobile Attack, if you move you would only be eligible for a Single Attack and then with Lightsaber Assault you would get two attacks. If you have Twin Attack, you would get 4 attacks (Single Attack plus Twin, Second Attack from LA plus Twin).
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First, I really appreciate people jumping on this and really, thoroughly giving me an explanation.
Lightsaber Assault is said to replace attacks. Couldn't that mean it can replace any attack you might have? As in, if you have 1 attack then you can replace it with LA for 2. If you have a second attack you can do it again. Just a slightly different reading results in that conclusion, which is how I originally read it.
That said, it seems a majority of folks agree with Creme on this, so I don't doubt that is generally the way it is interpreted.
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No, using a Replaces Attacks ability replaces all your attacks for that round.
So if you start adjacent to an enemy and you have Double Attack, you can't replace your first attack for Lightsaber Assault to get 2 attacks and then still use your Double Attack for 3 attacks total. Once you start your normal attack, you give up your ability to Replace Attacks. Same if you use Lightsaber Assault you give up your normal Double Attack.
And, in that same hindsight, you cannot have Double Attack and replace a single attack to use something such as Grenades and then still attack someone with a single attack. It doesn't work that way.
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Terrence Withers wrote:
Lightsaber Assault is said to replace attacks. Couldn't that mean it can replace any attack you might have? As in, if you have 1 attack then you can replace it with LA for 2. If you have a second attack you can do it again. Just a slightly different reading results in that conclusion, which is how I originally read it.
No. It's just like any number of other Force Powers or Special Abilities that allow you to use them in replace of the characters normal attack(s). It doesn't matter if the character in question has only a standard single attack or if it has Double Attack, Triple Attack or even Quadruple Attack, you are still replacing that entire attack mechanism with the stated special ability/force power. As was mentioned previously, Twin Attack is different. Whenever your character makes an attack Twin Attack allows you to make 1 extra attack against the same target. So if your character had Twin Attack you would be able to get up to 4 attacks out of the Lightsaber Assault but not with Double.
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The main part of the FAQ has a section on Replaces Attacks which clearly explains that such abilities cannot be used with Double, Triple, etc.
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From the rulebook:
replaces attacks: Some Force powers or special abilities have “replaces attacks” as a special cost. A character who uses such a Force power or special ability can’t make other attacks that turn, even if another ability allows extra attacks, and can’t replace more than one attack. When making an attack of opportunity, a character cannot use a Force power or special ability that replaces attacks. A character cannot use a Force power or special ability that replaces attacks in the same turn that it uses a Force power or special ability that replaces its turn.
Your interpretation would only be possible if it said "replaces attack", not the plural "replaces attacks)
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Thank guys! I appreciate the clarification!
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wannabe mexican wrote:komix wrote:Terrence Withers
the situation looks like this:
Either he(BAne) moves and does the sith rage+l.assault making his 2 attack for 30 damage OR he doesn't move- uses 2 force points to do sith rage and l.assault making 4 attacks into adjacent enemy each for 30 damage.
Simple, isn't it?
Lightsaber Assault replaces attacks. So it is either move and make your normal attack, stay still and make your double attacks, OR spend a force point and use Lightsaber Assault, INSTEAD of your normal attacks. The benefit is that you can move and make 2 attacks. You can't use double attack and LS Assault together. Ow man I totally messed up= I dunno why I had thought that he had twin attack. Either way I was wrong. So he is what you can do- move and do combo of sith rage and l.assault or don't move and do double attack and use sith rage and whatever you want that doesn't replace attacks. Cheers.
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