I'm sure eventually we might do a "Young Terentetak".

Cool... ill keep my mini on the subs bench in eager anticipation !

Umm, there's equally as much fact on our side as on yours. The problem is, you've chosen to ignore it and call it something other than fact, and accept your own facts only as completely conclusive. That my friend is the Republican debate tactics, and I don't accept it.

The facts (the whole facts not just those useful for my argument).
1. Originally from Kotor - you fight them in both games, about the size of the uggernaught, just more than half the size of a Rancor - supports large (although at the high end of the large minis by far).
2. Concept art - if you do a google search, you will find 15 different pictures, concept art, fan art, comic stuff that all show them to be much bigger than the Kotor model - supports huge.
3. The Kotor game used an existing model of that size to make it from Neverwinternights - highly probably that this affected the actual size of the character in the game - makes point 1 inconclusive.
4. Source material on their size - Wookieepedia is inconclusive at best, as it lists multiple conflicting sizes. In one place, it says average height was 3.2 Meters, in another it says, "as big as a city" - can support both.
5. TOR - reports are you fight these at various times in the game, concept art for the game has been shown already in this thread, showing a size at least equal to rancor, but probably bigger. - Support huge.
6. RPG materials - as JS has shown, there are conflicting reports, one source has it as half the size of a rancor, the other as a "huge".
7. Comparable sizes of existing figures - well this is useless because many things are out of scale. An Uggernaught is not the same size as a tie crawler. But the point is, that the ugger was considered huge in TFU. If that's the minimum for a huge (several speeders could be considered smaller than this, I'm really not sure which is the exact smallest) - then the Teren is clearly within the proper size range, as its clearly as big as an ugger if not bigger even in its current smallest known image - from KOTOR - suggests huge.
8. Educated Guess - yes, I believe based on what I've seen coming for TOR, that the KOTOR Terens will be declared, "baby", "young", or a different planetary basis for their small size. LFL has done this before, in fact you might even call it their most common Retcon problem - different sources listing different sizes for beasts. For reference, please view the entire history in SWs of the "rancor" species. Eventually they went with planetary based environmental differences for the various sizes explanation. Jabba's rancor is now considered a very small version, even though when we grew up it was the only size rancor there was.
9. Story - in Sws lore (multiple sources where they are mentioned and not seen - comics, books, and some video game texts) you read about how some of these took multiple jedi to bring down. Those in KOTOR took one, you the player. They were likely created from Rancors by the ancient Sith, it begs to reason they were at least of similar size.

So to me, the entire set of facts of information we have for these, sides with huge over large. I stand firmly behind our decision. You are welcome to disagree, but do not be so audacious to say, "I can't believe this is a debate" and then ignore 80% of the facts in favor of one fact, at the expense of the others. Especially when there is a very plausible explanation as to why that fact exists. It's hardly a fraught free premise that just because in KOTOR they were large that this means that all of them in the SWs universe for all time were of the same size. In fact I'd argue that accepting only the size from the video game as conclusive, with a 90% likelihood will make your opinion wrong.

Now see, thats real data. And facts that I can support because it is not based off assumption or opinion,

And now for Bills fact list responses heh

1.Correct

2. If it is not a visual from the game or printed in LFL material then it accounts for nothing. And in regard to concept art.. its concept for a reason and by no means a final depiction of anything. simple as that.

3. It doesn't matter if the model might have been based from another game. Thats called creative recycling. Something done in many games and even movies for that matter. I highly doubt the previous model size made a difference, they could have easily resized it in any purpose. I believe the size in game is their definitive intention.

4. I see nothing on wookieepedia about as big as a city so.. no..

5. I have been in the SWTOR beta on and off since November as it goes through phases and all Terentatek are the same size. Most aren't even called as such, sometimes Force Beast or something to that effect. And I already addressed concept art.

6. Jedispyder posted the above and wins this part.

7. The minis have lots of sizes wrong. medium size jawas, and the Uggernaut is just not meant to be a Huge. I'd put that one in particular off as a Huge filler mess up. as far as speeders go, their status as Huge is based off Length and seems fine. There is also the actual scale in relation to one another of the miniatures models. Stuff from rebel storm dwarfed by later sets as an example. But some things are just not scaled right to each other. But thats something of another topic entirely, and can be a case by case basis. I'll leave that alone for another day.

8. Educated Guess? Yeah, but given the existing majority facts, nothing other than the one concept art and I suppose the RPG stats say otherwise. And it sounded pretty borderline on size for the RPG. So an educated guess would have made it Large, but then that is my opinion. When something might be borderline.. well.. oh well I guess. Oh and retcons are the devil.. the CW cartoon as much as I love it is a pretty big offender on that account hahaha.

9. One player in KOTOR is insufficient more in regard to the first game. You play as Revan, super super master of the Force. I'll be honest too I don't recall having to solo any of the monsters in KOTOR 2, but if we had to.. well I have no real excuse for the Exile. OH, and in SWTOR... don't count on soloing a Terentatek.. not one close to your level anyway...


I think the argument can be just as strong either way, but it will depend more on opinion than fact in some cases. The facts lean both ways of sorts. The majority of appearances has them at the Large size I argue for, with nothing but hypotheticals and an RPG source for being bigger. But just because they CAN be bigger doesn't mean the ones we have seen are YOUNGER or babies. Thats just ridiculousness.

Grown adult humans come in many heights. Would you declare the average at about 6 feet give or take a few inches, or just make the final height 8 feet because some people CAN be that tall? I should have thought to make such a point sooner, as it support what I intend the best as far as what we have definitely seen as the average for Terentateks.

I think the only way I wouldn't have said a word is if you guys had it on the card as like Mutant, Ravenous, or some other word to indicate a Huge size. Unless you do..

flavor is the best part sometimes, or can be.

We have a lot of generic words out there, I'd say Mercenary or Trooper being at the top, without giving it much thought.

Maybe some more specialized or specific ones, more in reference to militarized units rather than Fringe. The general point of the fringe is to give us Johnny cannon fodder anyway.

Shocktrooper, Marine, Grunt, Sapper, maybe more CO ranks. I'd suggest a Medic piece but it doesn't feel like it would fit very well.

and where is the plain ol "Rebel Spy" to keep the Bothans company? haha

Just a thought

There are 2 diff Herzous and a range of Slaads... that all would be great. Large size only

Difficult to match one to a Huge custom you will have to make.

Maybe im just picky... but when/if a "normal" terentatek is made i would want a diff fig for each.

I had already picked out a Large size one from D&D to use, and I figure on making a mock up Huge size base for it. The custom will be Large size and then maybe a heavy card stock or foam pieces that fits snug on the base to upgrade it to Huge size.

Best of both worlds I suppose.

Giving this a bit more thought I had actually thought about using magnets too. not for this one just yet, but I had considered it for some of the smaller figures as a means of storage. I figured a very slim magnet glued to the bottom would help keeps customs safe in a storage container of some sort with a metal bottom. That way the paint can't ever get messed up.

Might work for this Terentatek also.

Yeah that might work real well too. There's lot of ways to stick and unstick things aren't there?